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purdymouth
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/06/...main/index.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Supporters of maverick Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr controlled government, religious and security buildings in the holy city of Najaf early Tuesday evening, according to a coalition source in southern Iraq.
purdymouth
http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopu...storyID=4764154

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Judging by the wounds and death tolls, the night-time battles between radical Shi'ites and U.S. troops in Baghdad's Sadr City slum are fierce and tactics dirty.

But determining whether the casualties are civilians or militiamen loyal to fiery cleric Moqtada al-Sadr may be impossible as fighting rages after dark in a district that is closed off by many American tanks.

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3Martinis
The chaos theory in action

Asia Times

Chaos in Iraq deliberate ? Smokescreen for backroom dealing that would otherwise be under a brighter light ? Naaahhhh...couldn't be....
purdymouth
About 150 cars filled with people pull up in front of Camp Babylon this evening (headquarters of Polish led multinational division). The Poles have no idea who is in them or what they want but they fear the worst and have moved journalists into a more distant part of the camp for their own safety.

http://serwisy.gazeta.pl/wyborcza/1,34438,2009821.html

machinehead
All of my comments are summed up in these bumper stickers:

Burn the chimp

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purdymouth
CNN is reporting breaking news at 3:30 pm CST. The Shiites have launched a major offensive throughout Iraq on Coalition forces. Situation is developing and details still breaking. This news comes from high level government sources.

CNN reports 4:05 CST that an unknown number of US Marines have been killed in Ramadi.

Per CNN 423 pm CST, a dozen US Marines have been killed in Ramadi and more than a dozen have been wounded.

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Heavy Fighting
purdymouth
During his campaign, Bush claimed to be a uniter!

Baghdad Sunnis, Shi'ites unite
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/st...55E1702,00.html

SUNNI and Shi'ite residents of two Baghdad suburbs, once fierce enemies, said overnight they had put their differences aside to unite in their fight to oust the US occupying force from Iraq.
purdymouth
Who are Iraq's Mehdi Army?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3604393.stm

Iraq's Mehdi Army (MA) militia probably has no more than a few thousand actual members but its potential for organising unrest is clear from the street battles which erupted in Shia parts of the country.
Col Dashley
All news media now shutting down the Iraq story -- all focusing on only 12 marines killed to minimize the damage for the administration. CNN running 10 yr old African stories -- hey it isn't this bad. At least a dozen administration lackeys ought to be hitting the tube tomorrow telling us what great progress we're making and how a few Saddam loyalists don't want freedom.
Maxxi Miser

Up to a Dozen U.S. Marines Die in Iraqi Attack

Link 21 minutes ago

By Charles Aldinger

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - As many as a dozen American Marines were killed on Tuesday when their position was attacked in the Iraqi city of Ramadi near the Sunni hotbed of Falluja, a U.S. defense official said.

The official, who asked not to be identified, said initial reports indicated that dozens of Iraqis assaulted the Marine position near the governor's palace in Ramadi.

"There may have been as many as a dozen Marine deaths," the official said, adding that "a significant number" of Iraqis were killed.

purdymouth
Bush White House Deadlocked Over Iraq
purdymouth
Iraq becoming a quagmire
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/167778_thomas06.html

"becoming"?

I don't see the rose petals Perle and Cheney were talking about.



Chaos Spreads
http://www.timesofoman.com/newsdetails.asp?newsid=54469

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116262,00.html
fxfox
It is time to show what the US really wants. To often they try to muddle thru. I say: Show your face! If the US really wants to control iraq then the MUST bomb the shit out of flludsha and those other places. It is now or never. They must make clear, if they really want to control iraq, theat they are prepared to pay every price.

The US simply cant go out now. Id they do, the middle east will be in anarchy forever.

But US officials know that. So they wont go out.

I can imagien everything. Even the drop of an atomic bomb. One msut realize that we are at an very important point here. Never sicne WW2 was the US challenge thus far- cuba crisis maybe excluded. IF the US troops leave iraq the US wil loose the middle east, and also israel will be in big trouble, casue muslim fanatics will see it as their victory and will maybe so overconfident to attack israel at an till today unknown scale. The US simply cant leave iraq.

This is the endgame. The muslims have a few motnsh more tiem to give up, otherwise they will get to know what armageddon really looks like. Under the bush government the atomic bomb will be used. You will see it.
purdymouth
Want Peace in Iraq? Take Out Iran Nuke Plant.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/6/104901.shtml

No kidding, that's what the Wall Street Journal really said. Having sent this nation into two disasterous wars, the Wall Street Boys will not hesitate to try to kick off yet another!
machinehead
QUOTE (fxfox @ Apr 6 2004, 07:49 PM)
If the US really wants to control iraq then the MUST bomb the shit out of flludsha and those other places.

The Dresden thing, eh?

Compassionate conservatism ... laugh.gif
purdymouth
QUOTE (machinehead @ Apr 6 2004, 07:55 PM)
Compassionate conservatism ... laugh.gif

"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many, what day it's gonna happen? It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"

— George W. Bush's mother Barbara on ABC/Good Morning America, March 18, 2003
libertas
QUOTE (purdymouth @ Apr 6 2004, 06:58 PM)
QUOTE (machinehead @ Apr 6 2004, 07:55 PM)
Compassionate conservatism ...  laugh.gif

"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many, what day it's gonna happen? It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"

— George W. Bush's mother Barbara on ABC/Good Morning America, March 18, 2003

They're just the peasants, after all.

Hereditary nobility has not changed over the centuries.
Big Doo Doo
Bill O'Reilly making the case that "the second war" has now started in Iraq.
Maxxi Miser


Good ole reliable BBC

US struggles to quell Iraq revolt
machinehead
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Deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is being held at a US military base in Qatar, rather than in Iraq.

Following his capture by US forces in December last year, Saddam was first moved to a US aircraft carrier in the Gulf for interrogation, a British newspaper reported, without citing its sources.

He was then -- at a time not specified by the report -- transferred to Qatar under great secrecy, with even the state's royal family not informed of his presence.


Link

The story certainly makes sense. The bit about his wife going to Qatar adds to the credibility.

I wonder how this news will go over in Qatar. Sounds like a possible infringement of their sovereignty.
The brown one
QUOTE (purdymouth @ Apr 7 2004, 01:52 AM)
Want Peace in Iraq? Take Out Iran Nuke Plant.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/6/104901.shtml

No kidding, that's what the Wall Street Journal really said. Having sent this nation into two disasterous wars, the Wall Street Boys will not hesitate to try to kick off yet another!

No need,Sharon already pledged to do it for the US months ago!
Only one contry in the ME is allowed to have illegal nukes.
machinehead
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[Larry] Diamond, a democracy specialist at the Hoover Institution in California, also called on the administration to sharply increase the number of US troops in Iraq in order to disarm and dismantle the militias, and accused Iran of financing and arming Sadr and other Shiite militias, which he says are building up arms in advance of elections or possible civil war.

"Iran is embarked on a concerned, clever and lavishly resourced campaign to defeat any effort to create a genuine pluralist democracy in Iraq, and we've been sitting back," he said in what has become a growing refrain among neo-conservatives and administration officials who blame Tehran for the coalition's growing problems among the Shiites.

"I think we should tell the Iranian regime that if they don't cease and desist, we will play the same game – we will destabilize them."


Not quiet on the eastern front

Has the wind shifted? We were assuming that the neocons had Syria in their sights as the next target. Now it seems Iran is next on the hit list.

Unlike Iraq, Iran is not an artificial country, created so that the west would have a counterparty to sign the oil exploration contracts.

Persia has a five-thousand-year history. And the U.S. has a fifty-year history of disastrous failures at trying to install pro-American puppets there.

Expanding the war to Iran is truly a World War IV apocalpyse scenario. Would the Bushmonger go that far to get re-elected as the "wartime president"? Or simply cancel the election altogether?

It's not even his decision. The monkey dances for the organ-grinder, who's coming to visit on April 14th.
purdymouth
MercWar

note: I got into an argument with a friend today concerning mercenaries in Iraq. He said that his neighbor/friend was over there doing "contract" work. I asked him if he was hanging drywall or something. I then proceeded to use the word "mercenary". He went ballistic. He said he didn't think that his friend would take too kindly to being called a mercenary when he was just trying to put food on his [family?] family's table. Oh, the semantics of it all! The use of mercenaries is classic for declining civilisations. In ascendant societies the people themselves fight on their own behalf. There will be alot more discussion in the days ahead about the privatization of our forces. Private armies/security units not beholden to same "high standards" of conventional forces. Bad juju. Bad.

No Way Out

the "real clash"

"The real clash that's supposed to happen in this war did not yet happen. In the south, people are waiting, and they will be tired in months."

- Raed Jarrar, October 2003, interview with GNN
Ned38
QUOTE (machinehead @ Apr 6 2004, 07:23 PM)
"Sounds like a possible infringement of their sovereignty."





Recognizing sovereignty is not something this administration is particularly good at in general. Unless you have nukes like N.Korea,and the Soviet states, or an old commie dictator like Castro. Then we use the velvet glove or the blackjack as the case may be.

But apparently if your sovereign state is comprised of Muslims and or other non Jesus lovin' folk we will just walk in and strut our stuff.

I hate to say it and I really feel bad about what is happening. But we are getting what we asked for over there. We meaning the administration and it's religious zealots, and the good people who believe the company line about WMDs and rose petals and freedom apple pie and all that other BS.

There are plenty of people -------although I don't know any..........who want desperately to put their faith and trust in the hands of GW. Their well intentioned support of our military people and the belief that somehow 911 and Iraq are connected enough to warrant the events we have seen unfold are lending a relatively high degree of support for this crap.

My personal belief is that there is some kinda Jungian collective unconcious type thingy happening here whereby on some level a large percent of Americans actually want to blow the middle east to smithereens and are just happy as clams that this crap is escalating.

Apocolyptic ???.............Still pissed about defeat in Nam????.............Just sick of turbans and mullahs and the 7-11 guy dropping the change on the counter rather than puttin' in their hands??????

I dunno.

The religious right sure wants it to go to full blown holy war. Some of them believe it will hasten the second coming. Those folks have George's ear.

The oil barrons ...........well the Bush's are oil barrons. LOL

But whatever the cosmic causes for this shit are , I see this getting worse and worse unless and until the US starts to deal with these people like they really are people, with thousands of years worth of cultural history and religious beliefs that define who they are , what they want, and what they will do if you F with them.
mjkst27
I'm sayin' some sort of (manufactured) terror attack goes down on US soil well before November, once the middle east situation is brought to full boil (gee I'm way out on a limb here eh?). The AQ "perps" will be immediately and dramatically apprehended live on CNN, to both make the scene more "palatable" to Joe Six "whew, glad they caught those buggers, let's go grab a burger" (gotta keep the borrow and spend economy rolling) and to portray Bush as the anti-terror president.

I knew in my soul the second I saw the images of the burned bodies hung from the bridge last week that it was some sort of fabricated propoganda campaign spooling up. There's way more here than meets the eye via CNN.

ya got ta
KEEP AMERICA ROLLING
yeah yeaaaaaaaahhhhhhh
ya got to
KEEP AMERICA ROoooLLIN'

(General Motors ad campaign launched soon after 9-11-01)
machinehead
As if we needed another headache ...

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Washington wants the [Royal Nepalese Army] soldiers to become frontline troops in its "war on terrorism" - not in Iraq, not in Afghanistan, but in Nepal itself.

But few military analysts believe this war is winnable.

Just 10 days before the collapse of peace talks last August, the army killed 21 people in the eastern district of Ramechhap.

They were lined up and executed at the end of a three-hour march.

The Bush administration's involvement in Nepal marks a new departure in its strategy of pre-emption.


Same shit, different country

What if the totalitarian dictators that the U.S. props up in Egpyt, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia, and Nepal REALLY DO represent "American values"? sad.gif

Dustbowl
I'm sick of all this crap. Stop jacking off and make sure you are registered to vote and take Shrub out this Fall. Many here want to bitch and whine about "the system" but the fact remains that we need to take Shrub out no matter who the opposing candidate might be. Yes, I'm talking to you Nader nuts and Libertarian wackos. Get off your ass and vote you bunch of pussies.
purdymouth
News Blackout

Fallujah security situation worsening
[take with grain of salt]

mjkst27
QUOTE (3Martinis @ Apr 6 2004, 07:18 PM)
The chaos theory in action

Asia Times

Chaos in Iraq deliberate ? Smokescreen for backroom dealing that would otherwise be under a brighter light ? Naaahhhh...couldn't be....

from the linked article:

"If Iraq is sliding toward chaos, this is exactly where most Iraqis believe the US wants them to be. A prominent Iraqi psychiatrist who has worked with the CPA and US military explained to me that "there is no way the United States can be this incompetent. The chaos here has to be at least partly deliberate." The main question on most people's minds is not if his assertion is true, but why. In this context, the sending of foreign contractors into Falluja in late-model SUVs with armed escorts - down a street clogged with traffic where they would literally be sitting ducks - only feeds suspicion that the US is deliberately instigating more violence as a pretext for "punishment" and further chaos courtesy of the US military. "

-AND-

"The day I returned home I spoke to a leading scholar of Iraqi Shi'ism, who firmly argued against the notion that the US was deliberately stoking the flames of chaos: "Believe me," he said, "they are that incompetent." And perhaps he's right - at least from 10,000 miles away a lot of the mess that is Iraq can be explained by the combination of arrogance, ignorance and ideological bolshevism of the political and military leadership in the Bush administration, coupled with the greed of their corporate sponsors."

incompetence is intentional, too ya know
purdymouth
QUOTE (Dustbowl @ Apr 6 2004, 09:54 PM)
Stop jacking off and make sure you are registered to vote and take Shrub out this Fall.

Staged terror events and electronic voting machines will ensure Bush's Second Coming. I'll vote... but the die is cast IMVHO. I have standing bets with several sheeple that elections will be called off. I am prepared to lose those bets... but I don't think I will.
Dustbowl
Purdy: You might be right, but I'm gonna go down swinging on these assholes. They have stolen the heart and soul of America and I'm pissed as HELL about it. Never Give Up!!!!!! VOTE
scottcardiff
Shrub isn't the person making the decisions. He is a simple figurehead in a plan that has been in the works for decades.

We need access to the oil. China needs access to the oil. We moved first. They will move next. It will take years, decades even.

There will be a draft, probably after a few attacks are allowed to happen on American soil, to "soften us up".

Eventually we'll control Syria, Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Our allies will fall in line or side with China. Russia and India will be wild cards. We'll probably lose Japan and South Korea, etc.

Why do you think we're kissing Pakistani ass right now? Borders.

Major clusterfornicate, straight ahead.

I saw this coming the minute the Republicans nominated this dipshit.
Dustbowl
Scottcardiff: That could be reality. I just don't want to look at that Chimp anymore. SICK OF IT!!
purdymouth
U.S. Faces Tough Urban Battle in Fallujah
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=...ing_3&printer=1

Fighting men who are fighting for their homes and loved ones standing within eyesight. It's gotta be rough.
Hiding Bear
QUOTE (machinehead @ Apr 6 2004, 09:02 PM)
QUOTE
[Larry] Diamond, a democracy specialist at the Hoover Institution in California, also called on the administration to sharply increase the number of US troops in Iraq in order to disarm and dismantle the militias, and accused Iran of financing and arming Sadr and other Shiite militias, which he says are building up arms in advance of elections or possible civil war.

"Iran is embarked on a concerned, clever and lavishly resourced campaign to defeat any effort to create a genuine pluralist democracy in Iraq, and we've been sitting back," he said in what has become a growing refrain among neo-conservatives and administration officials who blame Tehran for the coalition's growing problems among the Shiites.

"I think we should tell the Iranian regime that if they don't cease and desist, we will play the same game – we will destabilize them."


Not quiet on the eastern front

Has the wind shifted? We were assuming that the neocons had Syria in their sights as the next target. Now it seems Iran is next on the hit list.

Unlike Iraq, Iran is not an artificial country, created so that the west would have a counterparty to sign the oil exploration contracts.

Persia has a five-thousand-year history. And the U.S. has a fifty-year history of disastrous failures at trying to install pro-American puppets there.

Expanding the war to Iran is truly a World War IV apocalpyse scenario. Would the Bushmonger go that far to get re-elected as the "wartime president"? Or simply cancel the election altogether?

It's not even his decision. The monkey dances for the organ-grinder, who's coming to visit on April 14th.

Hmm I wonder if Iran remembers who supplied Iraq with military support during the eighties Iran-Iraq war (including chemical weapons - gasp)? Or maybe they are thinking back to the "secret war" of October 1987 where the US shot down a Iranian passenger airliner - by mistake of course - because it was in a war zone uniliaterly declared by the US?

Nope they probably forgot about the above and the long history of the CIA interfering with their government.

They couldn't possibly have any reason or any notion to interfere with the US's plans in Iraq.
purdymouth
Shi'a insurgency spreading to Basra and Amarah.


Worst day possible in Iraq. Here's what our illustrious American media offered us tonight as of 8:50 pm:

Fox: Hannity and Colmes
CNN: Larry King
MSNBC: Barry Manilow


Coalition forces have detained two Sudanese jihadists.
Hiding Bear
Remember the hunt for Al Queda in Pakistan? Well, never mind:

But the army withdrew from the area last week, after eight captured soldiers and two local officials were found executed. A council of regional tribesmen negotiated the release of 12 hostages in exchange for the military pullout. Meanwhile, authorities backed off from initial claims to have cornered, wounded or captured several important foreign terrorists, possibly including top aides to al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

"The militants suffered casualties, but in the end they dictated the conditions and won the day," said Afrasiab Khattak, a human rights activist in Peshawar, the major city in northwestern Pakistan. "The situation is very dangerous now, because if they can stop the army in one place, they can launch attacks somewhere else."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...2-2004Apr6.html



Bearman
Dustbowl vote for who? protest vote?

what party?
Metamucil
QUOTE (Bearman @ Apr 6 2004, 06:57 PM)
Dustbowl vote for who? protest vote?

what party?

You have a salient point there, Bearman.......


In God We Trust.


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Jimi
QUOTE (machinehead @ Apr 6 2004, 07:23 PM)
QUOTE
Deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is being held at a US military base in Qatar, rather than in Iraq.

Following his capture by US forces in December last year, Saddam was first moved to a US aircraft carrier in the Gulf for interrogation, a British newspaper reported, without citing its sources.

He was then -- at a time not specified by the report -- transferred to Qatar under great secrecy, with even the state's royal family not informed of his presence.


Link

The story certainly makes sense. The bit about his wife going to Qatar adds to the credibility.

I wonder how this news will go over in Qatar. Sounds like a possible infringement of their sovereignty.

We're the final arbiters of sovereignty these days....

blink.gif sad.gif wink.gif ph34r.gif cry.gif
Hunter65
POTUS reiteration of self-government in Iraq is PIE IN THE SKY Day DREAMING.

The US, being committed, will be in Iraq in force after 2007. Additional US troops have been required AND are required. PentagonG officers have been dismissed/retired for not supporting the propaganda line.

Where have we heard that line before?

As a retired member of our armed forces, I will support our deployed forces wherever they are employed. However, I cannot and will not support their lying CIC and the distortions of an administration, congress or supreme court NOR, the 4th component, the Federal Reserve.

The Pentagon Papers and exposiing aftermath were more than enough to alter and sustain my personal views of politics and war as politics by other means.


"I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket." - Excerpt from a speech on Interventionism delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.
purdymouth
In the midst of these new circumstances, Bush will be on vacation all week.

"MR. McCLELLAN: It will be after his remarks, before departing the community college. Then the President makes remarks in Charlotte at a Bush-Cheney 2004 luncheon. Then we depart for St. Louis.

And in St. Louis, the President looks forward to throwing out the opening day pitch for this game between the St. Louis Cardinals and the Milwaukee Brewers. Following the opening pitch, the President will also participate in a live interview with Fox Sports Midwest. And then he will also participate in an interview with Mike Shannon, who is the co-anchor for Cardinals baseball on KMOX. And then we go to Crawford for the rest of the week. "
purdymouth
Muslim Rivals Unite in Baghdad Uprising

BAGHDAD, April 6 -- On the streets of Baghdad neighborhoods long defined by differences of faith and politics, signs are emerging that resistance to the U.S. occupation may be growing from a sporadic, underground effort to a broader insurrection by militiamen who claim to be fighting in the name of their common faith, Islam.
purdymouth
Fierce Fighting With Sunnis and Shiites Spreads to 6 Iraqi Cities


http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2749139
700 troops from the Princess of Wales's regiment are leaving for Basra tomorrow and the next day. British troops killed up to 15 Iraqis today in Basra and Amarah.

Japanese troops told to stay inside base

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Bill O'Reilly says get out of Iraq.

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purdymouth
Nader calls for Bush to be impeached over Iraq War

stained jeans
Dr. Strangelove completely unphased (oops, unfazed) by the recent uprising...

Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, responded to calls for reinforcements by saying that the US military presence in Iraq was unusually high at 135,000.

Uprising in Iraq Could Derail Bush

Arrogant, nauseating, pr%ck.
stained jeans
These wipes are toast...


http://www.ruighaver.net/bumperstickers/political.htm
The brown one
QUOTE (stained jeans @ Apr 7 2004, 10:12 AM)
Dr. Strangelove completely unphased by the recent uprising...

Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, responded to calls for reinforcements by saying that the US military presence in Iraq was unusually high at 135,000.

Uprising in Iraq Could Derail Bush

Arrogant, nauseating, pr%ck.

Rummy's probably un-phased 'cos he's thinking"We can always nuke-em-if-we-need-to" can't we?
GregFokker
QUOTE (Metamucil @ Apr 6 2004, 11:08 PM)
QUOTE (Bearman @ Apr 6 2004, 06:57 PM)
Dustbowl  vote for who?  protest vote?

what party?

You have a salient point there, Bearman.......


In God We Trust.


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Nader, I think.
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