Interview on demo now.
Nader Calls Kerry a "Puppet" For Israel,
Charges Dems With "Mini-Watergate"
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/07/1354230
Full Version: Na na na na Nader
| QUOTE |
| RALPH NADER: ... the wide differences in the agenda of the Nader-Peter Camejo ticket compared to the other two parties. The other parties are pro-war, pro-PATRIOT act, pro-death penalty, pro-corporate globalization, and we are on the other side of that. We are the only anti-war candidate. |
Absolutely true. Kerry's stance is that he'll fight the War on Terror "more effectively" than Bush. "Bush with a brain," so to speak.
Screw that ...
If you've had the privilege of hearing Nader speak, it's hard not be captivated by him.
| QUOTE |
| .....Perhaps Nader’s greatest hypocrisy, though, is his brutal anti-union actions. Publicly, Nader declares support for organized labor, pronouncing on his campaign website that “the notorious Taft-Hartley Act that makes it extremely difficult for employees to organize unions needs to be repealed.” But he viciously busted attempts of his own employees to unionize. “The day after we filed for recognition, the locks were changed. I was fired. A few days later, the other people were fired,” recalls Tim Shorrock, who edited the Multinational Monitor, a Nader magazine, in the 1980s. “They went after me in an incredibly vicious way. When they fired me, they asked me for all my boxes back,” including ones Shorrock had brought with him to the job and considered his personal property. Nader tried to have local police arrest Shorrock and sued him, a case later dropped. “It was pure harassment,” Shorrock says – the same type of high-handed pressure Nader condemns in government and business..... |
Nader's book Unsafe at Any Speed was a crude hatchet job.
But his are venial sins compared to the Depublicrat thugs ...
As Bush would say, "Nader wrote a book. I read one."
But his are venial sins compared to the Depublicrat thugs ...
As Bush would say, "Nader wrote a book. I read one."
| QUOTE (depends @ Jul 9 2004, 07:10 AM) |
| Interview on demo now. Nader Calls Kerry a "Puppet" For Israel, Charges Dems With "Mini-Watergate" http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/07/1354230 |
I think he's a conglomerate corporation running for president disguised as a person. I don't think there's ever been a candidate since McKinley who represents big business so faithfully and tries to manipulate images in order to appear like he's for the people.
good read, thanks dp
alceringa - thanks for that article. Keep bringing
them here because somebodys got to talk me out of
voting for Nader. So far that one wont do it. Butt nice try.
them here because somebodys got to talk me out of
voting for Nader. So far that one wont do it. Butt nice try.
| QUOTE (machinehead @ Jul 9 2004, 11:06 AM) |
| As Bush would say, "Nader wrote a book. I read one." |
Our local library has 24 books by mr Nader. but I'll bet some of them
were written by slaves like the guy in the article above.
http://ipacserver.tblc.org/ipac20/ipac.jsp...&index=AA#focus
In a way I'm glad to hear that Nader has flaws.
Discussion of a Dean - Nader debate here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ress=108x114761
When I click the link in fails - maybe it will be on later.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ress=108x114761
When I click the link in fails - maybe it will be on later.
If nothing else, Alceringa, Nadar is remarkably sensitive to racial issues. Note how all the slaves are young white males from wealthy families. What a remarkable way to right ancient wrongs!!
"Oh way down yonder in the land of cotton. Look away, look away, look away, Dixieland.
"Massuh, oh Massuh, Ah don' evin haff enuff uh dat green tu get me a double tall latte grande wit' a croissant at de bistro today. Mebbe I'm a haf to ask my daddy."
"Oh way down yonder in the land of cotton. Look away, look away, look away, Dixieland.
"Massuh, oh Massuh, Ah don' evin haff enuff uh dat green tu get me a double tall latte grande wit' a croissant at de bistro today. Mebbe I'm a haf to ask my daddy."
Madame Threadbare-
Your ability to see the things in a different way never ceases to amaze.
Have you ever thought of applying to work for the CIA to help them dream up ever more tortuous, clever, convoluted, elaborate, intricate and Byzantine Black Ops?
As an expatriate Merkin, for all practical purposes, I have dis-enfranchised myself and therefore my interest in this election is more pragmatic than personal. I just hope Nader’s decision to run doesn’t give the election to Shrub, like it did last time, (with a little help from the Supreme Court, of course).
Your ability to see the things in a different way never ceases to amaze.
Have you ever thought of applying to work for the CIA to help them dream up ever more tortuous, clever, convoluted, elaborate, intricate and Byzantine Black Ops?
As an expatriate Merkin, for all practical purposes, I have dis-enfranchised myself and therefore my interest in this election is more pragmatic than personal. I just hope Nader’s decision to run doesn’t give the election to Shrub, like it did last time, (with a little help from the Supreme Court, of course).
Alceringa, Thanks (I think). Work for the CIA. Hmmmm. Now there's an idea. Do they take Canadian pre-psychotics without university degrees? 
Amy Goodman lectures
Take the refresher course.
http://www.democracynow.org/static/IMIATOW.shtml
Look for and
Click on --> Watch video online: Dial-Up | Broadband
Take the refresher course.
http://www.democracynow.org/static/IMIATOW.shtml
Look for and
Click on --> Watch video online: Dial-Up | Broadband
These folks hate Ralph. I had to hold my nose.
Click the green flash movie button.
also the cool clips.
Click the green flash movie button.
also the cool clips.
AMY GOODMAN: On CNN International they also showed the statue pulled down but it was a split screen and on half the screen they showed the casualties of war and on the other half they showed the statue pull down. Now I'm not talking about the difference between CNN and Al Jazeera. I'm talking about the difference between CNN and CNN International. It means that that company knows exactly what it's doing. What they provide for domestic consumption and what they provide to the rest of the world. Now think about what the rest of the world sees and what we see here in the United States.
Depends, Hey moonie!
When I was in England, I noted, with horror that BBC has an international and national verssion of itself. I don't know if BBC newsworld is available to the average Brit, but the local version of the BEEB is appalling. I don't recall it being pro or anti anything in particular, just remarkably stupid.
Depends, Hey moonie!
When I was in England, I noted, with horror that BBC has an international and national verssion of itself. I don't know if BBC newsworld is available to the average Brit, but the local version of the BEEB is appalling. I don't recall it being pro or anti anything in particular, just remarkably stupid.
| QUOTE (threadbare @ Jul 11 2004, 12:53 PM) |
| Depends, Hey moonie! |
Can a stoolie be a moonie too? Sounds like
someone obsessed with ... you know.
O.K., after seeing all the anti-Nader crap, I'm convinced. Progressives/Leftists are f'ing morons 
I guess Clingon was a great pusher of progressive causes....right. Political true believers are dupes. 
Cynicism is the only answer. 
I guess Clingon was a great pusher of progressive causes....right. Political true believers are dupes. Cynicism is the only answer.
ShitEatingGrinner, ok, butt are you going to vote ... that is if there even is an erection this year?
Report on speach by Ralph Nader on George Bush Invasion of Iraq - Unforgivable
http://www.mediamonitors.net/stanmoore56.html
http://www.mediamonitors.net/stanmoore56.html
As of now, I am unconvinced that there is a point in voting. I'm in Texas, where my fellow dumbasses here will give the state to the blood-drinking, dripping-shit, dickless, little twit known as Dubya. Why should I condone or give my personal approval to our hopelessly corrupted electoral process by participating? If there is something local on the ballot that interests me I'll go to the poll.
| QUOTE (ShitEatingGrinner @ Jul 18 2004, 08:51 PM) |
| As of now, I am unconvinced that there is a point in voting. I'm in Texas, where my fellow dumbasses here will give the state to the blood-drinking, dripping-shit, dickless, little twit known as Dubya. Why should I condone or give my personal approval to our hopelessly corrupted electoral process by participating? If there is something local on the ballot that interests me I'll go to the poll. |
it is absolutely ASTOUNDING that after ALL THE SHIT that has gone down in 4 years, Kerry and Bush stand deadlocked in the polls tonight. What kind of hell do we live in?
| QUOTE (threadbare @ Jul 11 2004, 06:53 PM) |
| When I was in England, I noted, with horror that BBC has an international and national verssion of itself. I don't know if BBC newsworld is available to the average Brit, but the local version of the BEEB is appalling. I don't recall it being pro or anti anything in particular, just remarkably stupid. |
Here in NL we get the pure unadulterated BBC news for residents of "the islands" and I must agree,it is awful and getting worse by the year.
Because it is dependent on public financing(and thus general approval of the public and gubmint) the majority of political content which is served-up,is mind-numbingly bland and without polarity.
Tony's mob really seems to have everyone by the short and curlies(if you'll excuse my French)!!
"Once you have them by the testicles,their hearts and minds will soon follow"
| QUOTE (mjkst27 @ Jul 19 2004, 01:15 AM) | ||
it is absolutely ASTOUNDING that after ALL THE SHIT that has gone down in 4 years, Kerry and Bush stand deadlocked in the polls tonight. What kind of hell do we live in? |
What's so astounding?
Skull 'n Bones 'A' v. Skull 'n Bones 'B'
Royal Blue v. French Blue
Rhetorical differences meaningless
Coke/Pepsi, 7-Up/Sprite offer far more contrast.
"Not a dimes worth of difference..."
| QUOTE (Grand Poopercycle @ Jul 19 2004, 12:31 PM) | ||||
What's so astounding? Skull 'n Bones 'A' v. Skull 'n Bones 'B' Royal Blue v. French Blue Rhetorical differences meaningless Coke/Pepsi, 7-Up/Sprite offer far more contrast. "Not a dimes worth of difference..." |
I agree GP, what I'm dismayed at is the ease with which the past 4 years are being forgotten in the intensifying focus on the upcoming election. I'm the first one to stand up and say there's no difference between the two parties. Just surprised there isn't a little tad bit more anti-Bush premium built in than there now appears to be.
geez, even nader is after the latino vote - camejo? is he qualified to be a heartbeat away from the white house? hell no - the truth is, if he wasnt hispanic, he'd be out protesting janitorial wages in L.A. i was gonna send nader some money for his campaign outta sympathy, now ill just buy my family a dinner out. "its time latinos had someone who can speak their language.... blah, blah blah". wouldnt be a problem if they spoke english - you see, the quesions are all being framed incorrectly. dont listen to their responses or positions; just listen to the issues and how they are defined.... this is multi-cultural b.s. that a segment of population is not truly represented if the elected official does not have the same skin color, speak same foreign language etc. BTW, i suspect condi gets the Veep nod! yes, its past time for a qualified minority or woman in WH or Veep position....
bush, kerrey or nader; we are doomed. its been so long since we had a decent choice? 
yes, its past time for a qualified minority or woman in WH or Veep position.... bush, kerrey or nader; we are doomed.
its been so long since we had a decent choice?
| QUOTE (ShitEatingGrinner @ Jul 18 2004, 08:51 PM) |
| As of now, I am unconvinced that there is a point in voting. |
I agree. What I do enjoy is making a fuss in the
building where we vote here. Last two years I
loudly complained about the electronic machines.
I said "Well I'm a programmer and It is too easy to
rigg these machines!". I also told the supervisor
that I objected to the paperless voting. He tried to
counter my argument and I had to explaine to him
that I had extensive background in digital imaging
and data processing and ..bla bla bla. I enjoyed that.
Then I voted for third party candidates where ever possible.
| QUOTE (Pee Brain @ Jul 19 2004, 03:44 PM) |
| bush, kerrey or nader; we are doomed. its been so long since we had a decent choice? |
Good one PeeBrain, I was waiting for
you to go for camejo's throat!
Wish we could get these stamps here.
Found here.
This is a good video site for Nader:
http://www.votenader.com/media_player/player.php
The in the media music links are good too.
Enjoy.
http://www.votenader.com/media_player/player.php
The in the media music links are good too.
Enjoy.
| QUOTE (depends @ Jul 20 2004, 01:00 AM) | ||
Good one PeeBrain, I was waiting for you to go for camejo's throat! Wish we could get these stamps here. Found here. |
Pretty good review(futher down linked page) about that sh*t that the St.Louis FED released about a belief in hell brings prosperity.Loada shite.No statistical correlation!Any,what is the FED doing?Why would these wonkers sit around all day dreaming up some crooked hypothesis about hell and the US,when they have far more important figures to fudge---oh,stoopid me,it was a distraction so that the media wouldn't report on how shitty the economy really is!
Heard a guy on the radio today talking about the Beige Book release yd.The first 10 words were optimistic and the rest was something similar to"if we have a second coming in the next year,then things mebbee OK" otherwise they'll prolly be shoit.
Got to the stage in the US that if you're openly pessimisexual you'll likely be sent to Gitmo.(A pessimisexual is defined as a person who derives some stirring of the loins from a >100 down-day on the Jokes.Persistent offenders only become aroused at Jokes -200 points but frequently correlate the degree of shanking with their own proclivity to shank any person within a 100 yard radius).
| QUOTE (mjkst27 @ Jul 19 2004, 01:34 PM) | ||||||
I agree GP, what I'm dismayed at is the ease with which the past 4 years are being forgotten in the intensifying focus on the upcoming election. I'm the first one to stand up and say there's no difference between the two parties. Just surprised there isn't a little tad bit more anti-Bush premium built in than there now appears to be. |
I agree, MJ- particularly after hearing Kerry's speech. My conclusion after hearing what I found to be a powerful and compelling oration was that the Dems will wipe the floor with Dubya and Prime Minister Cheney. How the media or even the pollsters can present this as even a "close" race is beyond me- in fact, why we haven't seen the filing of articles of impeachment and a louder call for a war crimes investigation is beyond me.
Greg - maybe no Bush bashing or war crimes charges because
Dubya and Kerry are IN THE SAME CLUB - bonesman brothers as it were.
Only one candidate is attacking the corporate criminals:
http://www.votenader.org/why_ralph/index.php?cid=109
Dubya and Kerry are IN THE SAME CLUB - bonesman brothers as it were.
Only one candidate is attacking the corporate criminals:
http://www.votenader.org/why_ralph/index.php?cid=109
Another reason voting for kerry or bush is dead square in the war camp.
Not for me. Got to vote conscience ... or is a conscience optional this time?
Kerry deals away his ace in the hole
By HELEN THOMAS ~ HEARST NEWSPAPERS
'Kerry has made a colossal mistake by continuing to defend his October 2002 vote authorizing President Bush's invasion of Iraq.'
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/186677_thomas18.html
Not for me. Got to vote conscience ... or is a conscience optional this time?
Kerry deals away his ace in the hole
By HELEN THOMAS ~ HEARST NEWSPAPERS
'Kerry has made a colossal mistake by continuing to defend his October 2002 vote authorizing President Bush's invasion of Iraq.'
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/186677_thomas18.html
Funny political movie shorts here:
http://www.awolcowboy.com/
http://www.awolcowboy.com/
| QUOTE (depends @ Aug 21 2004, 08:08 AM) |
| Funny political movie shorts here: http://www.awolcowboy.com/ |
Some wacky stuff DP. Still no diff between the two of them though. Or put a different way, all the differences and up producing the same actions.
Strongly considering throwing my vote away to the greens instead of wasting it on Ralph.
Still think all this will only get worse and only by adopting instant run off voting will a third party ever have a chance in hell. And still find most people ignorant of and uninterested in IRV.
Also still very curious if the debates will end up having more then the two current top running media sanctioned dildo wagers.
every once and i just sit and think: "how did we get here?" particularly now as i have little desire to practice my profession and ponder my mortality and creeping age. bush or kerrey, Wimpy printing money and negative real IR are good? the USD goes down some days against the Mexican and Argentinian Pesos - now how is that remotely possible. a teardown SFR in coastal Socal is $1M, paid w/o a thought these days! Debt, Debt, Debt is EVERYWHERE! saving is bad, borrowing is good. wont go into welfare, but self-reliance seems to be on the decline. mostly, i just wonder how the govt knowing everything about me is gonna help them kill and enemy they cant define. i wsa born in '55, so i was a little young during the '60's (but i caught up in the '70's), but the country had an entirely different feel, even with the massive issues facing us. I DO NOT SENSE THE SAME OPTIMISM THAT WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER.
Some good Nader adds at bottom of page.
http://www.votenader.com/
Also - his position on the Middle East which
he claims has been misquoted.
http://www.votenader.com/media_press/index.php?cid=172
http://www.votenader.com/
Also - his position on the Middle East which
he claims has been misquoted.
http://www.votenader.com/media_press/index.php?cid=172
OT:
I laughed, especially #2. In the tasteless links on the right, the Julia
Roberts sonogram and Ass Cream jingles are also kinda funny:
http://babelogue.citypages.com:8080/canderson/2004/08/24
I laughed, especially #2. In the tasteless links on the right, the Julia
Roberts sonogram and Ass Cream jingles are also kinda funny:
http://babelogue.citypages.com:8080/canderson/2004/08/24
Some good Stool from the Nader people
Last week, we delivered "Ten Ways to Beat Bush, Served up on Silver Platters" to the Kerry/Edwards headquarters. Be sure to check out the full press release, here's the list of ten winning issues we should be on the look out for in tonight's debate:
1. The failed Presidency of George W. Bush proves he is a compassionless conservative.
2. Bush is not telling the whole story on casualties in Iraq and the likely return of the draft or facing up to the challenge of peace in Israel-Palestine.
3. The United States must embrace its obligation to protect the environment and face up to global climate change.
4. The time to confront corporate crime & corporate welfare—to challenge corporate control of government—is now.
5. The expansion of worker's rights must be achieved—by developing an employee Bill of Rights and by providing a living wage and health care for ALL, NOW.
6. It is time to end the the failed "drug war" and restore and expand Americans' civil liberties and constitutional rights.
7. Congress needs to institute a fair tax system whereby workers' first $50,000 in income is not taxed, the wealthiest and corporations pay their share, wealth is taxed before work, and activities we dislike are taxed before necessities.
8. The surest way to create more jobs in the US is by investing in America's infrastructure, investing in Americans, and withdrawing from trade agreements that cost us jobs.
9. Neither major-party candidate has the courage to announce an exit strategy for Iraq with a definite date of withdrawal.
10. The US must face up to its increasing poverty—especially among children—and demand an end to the commercial exploitation of our children.
Last week, we delivered "Ten Ways to Beat Bush, Served up on Silver Platters" to the Kerry/Edwards headquarters. Be sure to check out the full press release, here's the list of ten winning issues we should be on the look out for in tonight's debate:
1. The failed Presidency of George W. Bush proves he is a compassionless conservative.
2. Bush is not telling the whole story on casualties in Iraq and the likely return of the draft or facing up to the challenge of peace in Israel-Palestine.
3. The United States must embrace its obligation to protect the environment and face up to global climate change.
4. The time to confront corporate crime & corporate welfare—to challenge corporate control of government—is now.
5. The expansion of worker's rights must be achieved—by developing an employee Bill of Rights and by providing a living wage and health care for ALL, NOW.
6. It is time to end the the failed "drug war" and restore and expand Americans' civil liberties and constitutional rights.
7. Congress needs to institute a fair tax system whereby workers' first $50,000 in income is not taxed, the wealthiest and corporations pay their share, wealth is taxed before work, and activities we dislike are taxed before necessities.
8. The surest way to create more jobs in the US is by investing in America's infrastructure, investing in Americans, and withdrawing from trade agreements that cost us jobs.
9. Neither major-party candidate has the courage to announce an exit strategy for Iraq with a definite date of withdrawal.
10. The US must face up to its increasing poverty—especially among children—and demand an end to the commercial exploitation of our children.
Nice work lb.
Heres the Nader Debate web page.
Hear Nader debate the issues.
http://www.votenader.org/media_press/index.php?cid=242
Heres the Nader Debate web page.
Hear Nader debate the issues.
http://www.votenader.org/media_press/index.php?cid=242
A Green party opinion on why the Greens
did not nominate Nader again:
http://www.counterpunch.org/donnelly07102004.html
' "Anybody But Bush" has fatally infected the Greens, as well as just about every other purported progressive political group.'
did not nominate Nader again:
http://www.counterpunch.org/donnelly07102004.html
' "Anybody But Bush" has fatally infected the Greens, as well as just about every other purported progressive political group.'
Nader in 2008!!!
An open letter from Ralph to Mikey Moore. Can't say I disagree with him, actually.
"Michael, you have to rehabilitate yourself and remove the stains of your political apostasy. Get off your self-demeaning “Bill Maher Show knees” and once again confront the forces of corporate power and domination. Jettison your image as the Court Jester for the Democratic Party and its serial, crude violations of other candidates’ civil liberties to be on the ballot, to express their freedom of speech regarding a just society and world inside the electoral arena without being subjected to dirty tricks, hired corporate law firms, phony lawsuits, harassment and intimidation of signature gatherers."
http://www.votenader.com/why_ralph/index.php?cid=175
An open letter from Ralph to Mikey Moore. Can't say I disagree with him, actually.
"Michael, you have to rehabilitate yourself and remove the stains of your political apostasy. Get off your self-demeaning “Bill Maher Show knees” and once again confront the forces of corporate power and domination. Jettison your image as the Court Jester for the Democratic Party and its serial, crude violations of other candidates’ civil liberties to be on the ballot, to express their freedom of speech regarding a just society and world inside the electoral arena without being subjected to dirty tricks, hired corporate law firms, phony lawsuits, harassment and intimidation of signature gatherers."
http://www.votenader.com/why_ralph/index.php?cid=175
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