Full Version: The Illuminutty
So polistoolies, do you think W and the Neocons are they puppet masters or puppets themselves. Who do you think the real puppeteers are?
smells like a trap 
No trap, not even a bad punchline. I'm just curious as to who people think the grand chessmasters might be. I think they exist but don't know who they are, if they're part of a tradition that goes back centuries, or if they're familial, tribal, or just related through systems. Not sure. Mike Ruppert seems to make the most sense when he says the controlling forces in the world are a loose affiliation of people with a lot of money. But I dunno.
I think the CIA and neocons are locked in a death struggle and think it has something to do with shifing faultlines in the bedrock of occult power. By occult I mean hidden, however there could be a metaphysical aspect here as well.
I think the CIA and neocons are locked in a death struggle and think it has something to do with shifing faultlines in the bedrock of occult power. By occult I mean hidden, however there could be a metaphysical aspect here as well.
I'm not exactly sure who "they" are either, but it's plainly obvious that there is design behind all that goes on. And "they" keenly ride the brake and the gas simultaneously in daily affairs to throw us off their scent.
One thing I'm not sure of though is what the end state is, if we are indeed being shepherded into a NWO. It would seem that no time is better than the present for the Illuminators. They have the world in a frenzy of economic activity, paying lots of interest on funny money loans. What could be better? What "new world order" are they herding us into that could possibly be better for them than where we are today in summer 2004? Hypertiger's theory that what we are actually watching is the death throes of an age old system of control rather than the dawning of a new era of control is compelling in that light.
There are just so many coincidences (e.g. dead microbiologists), so many cases of supposed ineptitude (e.g. CIA intelligence failures), so many questions just boldly ignored (e.g. 9-11 implausibilities), so much propoganda (e.g. notice how no one can ever get past the events of the Holocaust long enough to actually examine how Hitler came to power? everyone just goes into gag reflex at the sound of "Hitler" - which only serves the state by hiding the classic example of tyranny) to believe anything other than that there is design behind it. Occam's Razor says that these things were and are actively organized on a professional basis by professional-caliber people, not just random unrelated chaotic human phenomenon.
On a related note, ever wonder why Americans will believe anything?
One thing I'm not sure of though is what the end state is, if we are indeed being shepherded into a NWO. It would seem that no time is better than the present for the Illuminators. They have the world in a frenzy of economic activity, paying lots of interest on funny money loans. What could be better? What "new world order" are they herding us into that could possibly be better for them than where we are today in summer 2004? Hypertiger's theory that what we are actually watching is the death throes of an age old system of control rather than the dawning of a new era of control is compelling in that light.
There are just so many coincidences (e.g. dead microbiologists), so many cases of supposed ineptitude (e.g. CIA intelligence failures), so many questions just boldly ignored (e.g. 9-11 implausibilities), so much propoganda (e.g. notice how no one can ever get past the events of the Holocaust long enough to actually examine how Hitler came to power? everyone just goes into gag reflex at the sound of "Hitler" - which only serves the state by hiding the classic example of tyranny) to believe anything other than that there is design behind it. Occam's Razor says that these things were and are actively organized on a professional basis by professional-caliber people, not just random unrelated chaotic human phenomenon.
On a related note, ever wonder why Americans will believe anything?
We've always lived in an Orwellian world, it's just that when you're young and/or dumb you can't see the forest for the cultural programming. Just felt like typing that.
I have always believed that some group of international bankers owned both the US and the UK and that both countriy's leaders just did as they were told. NWO implies the cooperation and collaboration of multiple entities for mutual gain. Don't honestly think that is reflected in the world right now.
| QUOTE (BudFox @ Jul 15 2004, 06:41 AM) |
| Conspiracy theory? Hmm.... |
Interesting link BudFox.I thought the URL rather strange for such an article
and as I left the site I got a pop-up telling me that the site "Bankindex" is for sale!
Mebbee a domain-name claimer.
I have been researching this subject for no less than 5 minutes and can exclusively reveal that the secret person pulling the strings in the world today is none other than MTV’s own Ozzie Osborne.
Ozzie’s aunt Doris was a cashier in the Scarsdale branch of the Yorkshire Building Society which as is well known was the banker to Ron Rothschild, a totally obscure and therefore very important scion of the evil dynasty, thus establishing beyond doubt Ozzie’s link to the world of Machiavellian high finance.
Ozzie’s red telephone as seen on TV is no less that a direct hotline to Greenspan from which he barks orders on monetary policy through virtue of the Rothschild’s controlling ownership stake in the Fed to directly further their sinister financial ambitions. All the while maintaining the ingenious cover of broadcasting mindless drivel designed to propagate the appearance that he is a bumbling moron while secretly subverting the mental fortitude of the populace. Clever. Very clever.
Of course there will always be naysayers that maintain that the various Rothschild offshoots are today tiny, tiny minnows in a massive and chaotic financial system that is as ever beyond the ability of any individual of groups to control but is rather totally at the mercy of the herd like instincts of the market. For such “dumb” individuals I need only point to the fact that the Rothschilds were very wealthy in the early eighteenth century then apply some arbitrary, wild-assed compounding rate to demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt that they own the world today. Furthermore, the examination of most shareholder registers is bound to uncover somebody called Rothschild with a few hundred shares or more. What additional proof could you ask for?
As for charges that this is a pack of thinly veiled, regurgitated Nazi lies, all I can say is Heil Hitler.
Ozzie’s aunt Doris was a cashier in the Scarsdale branch of the Yorkshire Building Society which as is well known was the banker to Ron Rothschild, a totally obscure and therefore very important scion of the evil dynasty, thus establishing beyond doubt Ozzie’s link to the world of Machiavellian high finance.
Ozzie’s red telephone as seen on TV is no less that a direct hotline to Greenspan from which he barks orders on monetary policy through virtue of the Rothschild’s controlling ownership stake in the Fed to directly further their sinister financial ambitions. All the while maintaining the ingenious cover of broadcasting mindless drivel designed to propagate the appearance that he is a bumbling moron while secretly subverting the mental fortitude of the populace. Clever. Very clever.
Of course there will always be naysayers that maintain that the various Rothschild offshoots are today tiny, tiny minnows in a massive and chaotic financial system that is as ever beyond the ability of any individual of groups to control but is rather totally at the mercy of the herd like instincts of the market. For such “dumb” individuals I need only point to the fact that the Rothschilds were very wealthy in the early eighteenth century then apply some arbitrary, wild-assed compounding rate to demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt that they own the world today. Furthermore, the examination of most shareholder registers is bound to uncover somebody called Rothschild with a few hundred shares or more. What additional proof could you ask for?
As for charges that this is a pack of thinly veiled, regurgitated Nazi lies, all I can say is Heil Hitler.
well, I'm sold
| QUOTE (mjkst27 @ Jul 14 2004, 08:13 PM) |
| On a related note, ever wonder why Americans will believe anything? |
Awesome link! Check out the different chapters.
Just finished lecturing my wife on the potential dangers of aspertame, AGAIN.
Thanks very much, discerning souls.
There is an expression used to describe L.A "There is no there, there" which describes (I think) a jumble of frenetic activity without an apparent civic center, a cacaphony of self motivated, self organizing confusion, with no apparent conductor.
Every now and again, even though the noise to signal ratio is weak, the lateral noise yields to a specific melody resonating from it's center. The music of municipal law, building codes, water rights, etc... though played by different musicians who improvise and go off on artistic flourishes, is still sensitive to a central musical score, and still returns to specific refrains provided by unseen forces.
So even though there may be no there there, if LA, can be used as an example, there is a "they" there.
There is an expression used to describe L.A "There is no there, there" which describes (I think) a jumble of frenetic activity without an apparent civic center, a cacaphony of self motivated, self organizing confusion, with no apparent conductor.
Every now and again, even though the noise to signal ratio is weak, the lateral noise yields to a specific melody resonating from it's center. The music of municipal law, building codes, water rights, etc... though played by different musicians who improvise and go off on artistic flourishes, is still sensitive to a central musical score, and still returns to specific refrains provided by unseen forces.
So even though there may be no there there, if LA, can be used as an example, there is a "they" there.
thanks for pointing out the chapters link, bud
| QUOTE (BudFox @ Jul 15 2004, 06:43 PM) | ||
Awesome link! Check out the different chapters. Just finished lecturing my wife on the potential dangers of aspertame, AGAIN. |
Awesome link indeed.I liked the points under common wisdom on the first page too------
"The NASDAQ is a natural market controlled only by supply and demand.
"An airliner can be flown with professional precision by a group of crazed amateurs into a 100-storey building and can cause that building to collapse on its own footprint. Twice."
I have no idea whether there's an elite that rules the world or not. However, I'll advance three propositions:
1. Great wealth is highly discrete. When you realize that your fortune places you in the top tenth of a percent of humanity, you also realize that many envious people might like to take it away from you. Therefore, you adopt a low profile. And when it comes to the most credible threats -- plunderers backed by the authority of the state -- you preferably co-opt them, to keep your enemies even closer than your friends.
2. Politics is dirty work. Except for patricians with a particular personality kink -- the need for the illusion of public adulation and approval, coupled with the grandiose exercise of social power -- the duties of public office are just too, too grubby ... even in the "millionaires club" of the U.S. Senate. The hours are too long, and the demands of campaigning and begging for money are just too base. It's lower than being a tradesman, actually.
3. Politicians work cheap. If you review the public records of campaign contributions, and also of documented bribery cases, this conclusion is unavoidable. The leverage on political bribes -- i.e. value received vs. bribe cost -- is often 1,000, even 10,000 to 1. The public interest is auctioned off at knockdown prices.
Putting 1, 2 and 3 together, there's an overwhelming mutual interest for the discrete superrich to cultivate and co-opt relatively inexpensive politicians to do their bidding. Done artfully and tastefully, there is total discretion and deniability. The author of a particular policy need never be identifiable or traceable. If he or she is, it was done badly and crudely.
1. Great wealth is highly discrete. When you realize that your fortune places you in the top tenth of a percent of humanity, you also realize that many envious people might like to take it away from you. Therefore, you adopt a low profile. And when it comes to the most credible threats -- plunderers backed by the authority of the state -- you preferably co-opt them, to keep your enemies even closer than your friends.
2. Politics is dirty work. Except for patricians with a particular personality kink -- the need for the illusion of public adulation and approval, coupled with the grandiose exercise of social power -- the duties of public office are just too, too grubby ... even in the "millionaires club" of the U.S. Senate. The hours are too long, and the demands of campaigning and begging for money are just too base. It's lower than being a tradesman, actually.
3. Politicians work cheap. If you review the public records of campaign contributions, and also of documented bribery cases, this conclusion is unavoidable. The leverage on political bribes -- i.e. value received vs. bribe cost -- is often 1,000, even 10,000 to 1. The public interest is auctioned off at knockdown prices.
Putting 1, 2 and 3 together, there's an overwhelming mutual interest for the discrete superrich to cultivate and co-opt relatively inexpensive politicians to do their bidding. Done artfully and tastefully, there is total discretion and deniability. The author of a particular policy need never be identifiable or traceable. If he or she is, it was done badly and crudely.
Excellent MH.
And the only thing that I would add is that the superwealthy have also realised that paying for an army to protect their interests(primarily) no longer has to be paid from their pockets as was the case centuries ago.Now Joe taxpayer foots the bill for wars that are mostly designed for their benefit.
Simple really,once you have the polits and the media in your pocket.
And the only thing that I would add is that the superwealthy have also realised that paying for an army to protect their interests(primarily) no longer has to be paid from their pockets as was the case centuries ago.Now Joe taxpayer foots the bill for wars that are mostly designed for their benefit.
Simple really,once you have the polits and the media in your pocket.
| QUOTE (mjkst27 @ Jul 19 2004, 04:40 AM) |
| somewhat interesting conspiracy site |
Very illuminating,Mj.
I liked the link where all the symbols of the worlds largest companies are analysed with respect to their "masonicness".I think the Oracle one looks more like a condom in its pack--but that'll just be my dirty mind(is a joy forever!)
The general undertone of the site seems to be one of desiring a return to a Stepford-like wholesomeness!Oh,silly me,that was also achieved by drugging the women!
It is becoming less surprising to me that intelligent members of this site would ever link to the ridiculous hate filled ravings of the mentally ill, and give it any credibility whatsoever. Disappointing, disheartening even, but given the frequency with which it occurs, no longer surprising. It seems even intelligent people will swallow any kind of nonsense that fits a twisted world view. I suppose some people just hate their mothers.
I'm with Crapper on this.
I'm with Crapper on this.
uhhh, FYI that site is written by a canadian jew
The link the Doc is referring to is the Henry Makow- Save the Males site? I read the stuff on feminism and kind of chuckled, it's so completely over the top. I met a man a few years back, who had a clear desire to keep women barefoot and pregnant. He tried to frame it as part of his general concern for children and the "greater good". His numerous tics and an inability to look me in the eye when speaking, indicated to me that he dearly wanted to dominate something, anything, but it wouldn't be likely unless society was restructured in such a way that even extremely wimpy men had a shot at being bullies.
It sounds likely that Makow has met women who are the mirror image of this guy in female form, with an agenda that politicizes their neuroses and handicaps of one form or another.
There's no more a general conspiracy against men, radiating from a central point and preplanned than there was against women. These are dynamic relationships that have evolved, for better or worse, over time. Have the elite taken advantage of them and promoted the most negative aspects through television and Madison avenue? Yeah. But a star chamber where it was "arranged this way" Doubt it.
Any time there is a huge social change, like the women's movement, there are going to be costs. The trick is to weigh those against the benefits. Makow, no doubt, has a "golden age" view of social history that never existed. When men dominated completely, women were unhappy, and kids were beaten regularly. There is always tarnish when you examine the golden age a little more closely.
Having said that, I think Makow is useful in documenting some of the cost side of the equation. Definitely. Wouldn't dismiss him completely and am happy to have gotten the link.
It sounds likely that Makow has met women who are the mirror image of this guy in female form, with an agenda that politicizes their neuroses and handicaps of one form or another.
There's no more a general conspiracy against men, radiating from a central point and preplanned than there was against women. These are dynamic relationships that have evolved, for better or worse, over time. Have the elite taken advantage of them and promoted the most negative aspects through television and Madison avenue? Yeah. But a star chamber where it was "arranged this way" Doubt it.
Any time there is a huge social change, like the women's movement, there are going to be costs. The trick is to weigh those against the benefits. Makow, no doubt, has a "golden age" view of social history that never existed. When men dominated completely, women were unhappy, and kids were beaten regularly. There is always tarnish when you examine the golden age a little more closely.
Having said that, I think Makow is useful in documenting some of the cost side of the equation. Definitely. Wouldn't dismiss him completely and am happy to have gotten the link.
I'm with you and the Major, Doc.
I am astounded at the near-adolescent level of anti-authority bias expressed by some of my favorite financial posters.
This cynical "I would be happy/wealthy/loving/etc....... if it were'nt for THEM" thread is the antithesis of Jickiss's great "Acres of Diamonds" post in Sunday's MTM.
I am astounded at the near-adolescent level of anti-authority bias expressed by some of my favorite financial posters.
This cynical "I would be happy/wealthy/loving/etc....... if it were'nt for THEM" thread is the antithesis of Jickiss's great "Acres of Diamonds" post in Sunday's MTM.
| QUOTE (The brown one @ Jul 15 2004, 05:57 PM) |
| ["An airliner can be flown with professional precision by a group of crazed amateurs into a 100-storey building and can cause that building to collapse on its own footprint. Twice." |
seven times
| QUOTE (BudFox @ Jul 15 2004, 11:43 AM) | ||
Awesome link! Check out the different chapters. Just finished lecturing my wife on the potential dangers of aspertame, AGAIN. |
i dont understand why reading this link makes me stupid... the guy makes alot a sense, if thats stupid, count me in.
read some of that guy's stuff, it is WORD!
"I am astounded at the near-adolescent level of anti-authority bias expressed by some of my favorite financial posters" Hairy Dent
Hairy Dent- Thank you for venturing out of your epistemogical playpen to assail us with that thoughtful insult. It takes a big man in enormous pampers to deliniate fact from fiction in such a thought provoking way.
Hairy Dent- Thank you for venturing out of your epistemogical playpen to assail us with that thoughtful insult. It takes a big man in enormous pampers to deliniate fact from fiction in such a thought provoking way.
Dent, Sorry if I went off on you but the financial stoolies are nearly all anti authoritarian and proud of it, I'm sure. Adolscent rebellion represents a high point in our lives before most of us are slowly stirred into the pudding of conformity. What on earth would the U.S be like if it weren't populated with a great many anti authoritarian types? It may be our salvation. If those "nuts" start getting stirred into the pudding, we're in big trouble.
anti-authority? interesting choice of words. Children require authority figures. Adults require leaders who authentically act and represent the will of their constituencies, be they private or public. When leaders nearly uniformly abdicate those responsibilities across society, then it's time to assume some other guiding directive is in place, and start looking for truth.
Makow is terribly terribly idealistic, to the point of total impracticability unless we ditch the division-of-labor societal arrangement altogether. I've emailed him that, but that's not why I found his site interesting. He has a knack of showing you just how far we have gotten from constructive societal behavior. And there's a lot of history (or at least his cut on history) in there that I just didn't know. It's food for thought, no more and no less. He advocates barefoot and pregnant? Read a little more. He advocates that women raise their kids. Criminal, I know.
Makow is terribly terribly idealistic, to the point of total impracticability unless we ditch the division-of-labor societal arrangement altogether. I've emailed him that, but that's not why I found his site interesting. He has a knack of showing you just how far we have gotten from constructive societal behavior. And there's a lot of history (or at least his cut on history) in there that I just didn't know. It's food for thought, no more and no less. He advocates barefoot and pregnant? Read a little more. He advocates that women raise their kids. Criminal, I know.
Mkjts, If you read my post carefully, you can take it either way. Am I actually saying that Makow himself wants to keep women barefoot and pregnant? There's actually a good chance he's from that camp, but it would be a leap for me to state that with certainty. I'd have to actually meet him and ascertain how f'd up he is.
What I actually pointed out was that he has met women who are the mirror image of this man I met, several years ago. They crave dominance and have a desire to bully, but frame it in a political way that gives it a look of concern for humanity in general. Not all feminists are like this, but some radical types certainly are.
Makow has articulated some of the down side of the feminist revolution, of a two parent family where both parents work outside of the home. It's more a revenge of unintended consequences than a pre planned event.
Makow's link is perfect because his views, though appealing and often correct, highlight how some people go off the track when it comes to causality,as I think he does.
Does Makow also contend Gloria Steinem has or had associations with the CIA? There aren't likely any cultural or political icon of that era that weren't directly or indirectly supported by them. The book, "The Culture Wars" highlights this fact. This is how the mainstream coopts and tames radical forces and that is why institutional feminism became an inward looking, impotent force. It became preoccupied with loopy side issues like the political aspects of language and ignored basic human rights and class issues in the 80's and 90's.
Feminism was definitely tamed by outside forces but was not invoked by them. The movement almost collapsed under the weight of it's own pettiness and is hopefully being reborn in a more useful form.
Power to the people! No matter what ethnicity sex or religion!!
What I actually pointed out was that he has met women who are the mirror image of this man I met, several years ago. They crave dominance and have a desire to bully, but frame it in a political way that gives it a look of concern for humanity in general. Not all feminists are like this, but some radical types certainly are.
Makow has articulated some of the down side of the feminist revolution, of a two parent family where both parents work outside of the home. It's more a revenge of unintended consequences than a pre planned event.
Makow's link is perfect because his views, though appealing and often correct, highlight how some people go off the track when it comes to causality,as I think he does.
Does Makow also contend Gloria Steinem has or had associations with the CIA? There aren't likely any cultural or political icon of that era that weren't directly or indirectly supported by them. The book, "The Culture Wars" highlights this fact. This is how the mainstream coopts and tames radical forces and that is why institutional feminism became an inward looking, impotent force. It became preoccupied with loopy side issues like the political aspects of language and ignored basic human rights and class issues in the 80's and 90's.
Feminism was definitely tamed by outside forces but was not invoked by them. The movement almost collapsed under the weight of it's own pettiness and is hopefully being reborn in a more useful form.
Power to the people! No matter what ethnicity sex or religion!!
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"For all I care, the young Dubya may have ritually sacrificed a goat while singing The Battle Hymn of the Republic with Eleanor Roosevelt's panties over his head."
Geoff Olson-Vancouver Courier
http://www.vancourier.com/073104/opinion/073104op2.html
Geoff Olson-Vancouver Courier
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| QUOTE (threadbare @ Jul 20 2004, 09:42 AM) |
| "For all I care, the young Dubya may have ritually sacrificed a goat while singing The Battle Hymn of the Republic with Eleanor Roosevelt's panties over his head." Geoff Olson-Vancouver Courier http://www.vancourier.com/073104/opinion/073104op2.html |
| QUOTE |
| Isn't it odd how the officially sanctioned conspiracies-Saddam's vapourous WMD's, for example-are so often the ones pitched by leaders and accepted uncritically by "serious" news outlets? In any case, I suspect Skull and Bones is just one of the more peculiar mechanisms for the elite to sustain itself into the next generation. In this case it uses frat-boy antics and juvenile occultism for those who are "tapped." Comraderie through ritual, history's same-old, same-old. |
Bingo.
I, personaly, seriously doubt there is an organized, all-powerful, heirarchy of occult worshipers hell bent on world domination. That said, anybody who seriously doubts that there are very powerful and influential people pulling strings, scratching each others backs and throwing their individual or collective weight around would be monumentaly niave. That some of them would be corrupt and/or corruptable can be without question...they are drawn from the homo sapiens stock after all. What nasty path can total or even partial corruption lead some down, given X power and X money ? .....who knows.
The same flavors of self delusion, self justification and self fookd-upidness that exists in any swath of humanity be it a trailer park, a country club, or a crack house exists at the tippy top of the money, power and influence pyramid as well. They just have much bigger sticks than the rest of us and tend to knock over an awful lot of anthills when they are in a fightin' mood with each other....which seems to be a lot lately.
No doubt groups of a like mind with enough power and influence to overtly or discreetly push "things" their way (largely by way of whatever "thing" happens to be on the collective radar at any given range of time), exist and leave footprints on occasion....but that doesn't mean every footprint leads back to the same clubhouse.
Or maybe it does.
WTFDIK.
whatever
God bless the shtool.
| QUOTE (threadbare @ Jul 20 2004, 04:42 PM) |
| "For all I care, the young Dubya may have ritually sacrificed a goat while singing The Battle Hymn of the Republic with Eleanor Roosevelt's panties over his head." Geoff Olson-Vancouver Courier http://www.vancourier.com/073104/opinion/073104op2.html |
"Mmmm.....goat."awghhhll(drooling sound).
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