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Maxxi Miser

* Another Campaign of Misinformation? Leaked 9/11 Report Cites New Evidence That Iran Cooperated with al-Qaeda Before Attacks *

Leaked accounts of the final 9/11 Commission report due out this Thursday says the Commission has uncovered evidence suggesting that between eight and ten of the 9/11 hijackers passed through Iran in the year prior to the attacks. We speak with Middle East and Iran Expert at Baruch College Ervand Abrahamian.

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http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/19/1410202

Bottom line: If Bush is reelected, Iran is next...

Meanwhile, where is Osama bin Laden?

Howcome the Saudis are left alone?

After all, the financiers of al Qaeda are to be found in Saudi Arabia.

All money trails lead to wealthy Saudis.

Howcome Bush is not going after them?

The war on terror is not a war on terror.

It's a race to secure oil plain and simple.

The Saudi Royal family are buddies with Bush.

Bush will look the other way as long as Saudi oil is flowing to the U.S.

And what was it I heard in the news just yesterday?

Oh yeah... the opposition leader in the U.K said he wouldn't have supported the war on Iraq had he known that the evidence was seriously flawed.

Well, are you going to believe your leaders next time they say we have to occupy Iran because it is a serious threat to our safety?

machinehead
QUOTE (Maxxi Miser @ Jul 19 2004, 05:11 PM)
Oh yeah... the opposition leader in the U.K said he wouldn't have supported the war on Iraq had he known that the evidence was seriously flawed.

Oh yeah ... so he's a victim too. Boo-hoo.

War hawks who now claim to have been "misled" by the intelligence are lying weasels.

The UN weapons inspectors stated flat out that they couldn't find any WMDs. They were willing to keep looking, but the war hawks withdrew them so that the attack could start.

The lies were transparent to anyone with even a modest knowledge of the public justification for Fascist land grabs in the 1930s. The so-called intelligence was shaped by interested parties to justify their preconceived policy -- as was apparent to many of us at the time, who clearly said so.

It is equally obvious that the Iran canard -- dredged up one week before issuance of the 9/11 report -- is more of the same.

* sigh *

Do we have to exhibit all the documents again -- the Netanyahu electoral platform and the PNAC (Project for a New American Century) -- to demonstrate the preconceived plan to attack Iran?

Or will the war hawks tell us, "But this time the intelligence is true! New people are in charge! The CIA has been reformed! We can believe the intelligence this time! Really we can!" dry.gif
Maxxi Miser

W: Probing Iran-9/11 tie

Bush made no mention of what the U.S. might do if evidence of an Iranian connection to 9/11 were found, and he also avoided comparisons to similar allegations about Iraq that later proved to be questionable.

Iran has dismissed the 9/11 charges as election-year politics, but Iranian officials have said that Al Qaeda members may have passed through its porous borders illegally.

Democrats mainly steered clear of the latest allegation about Iran, a nation Bush combined with Iraq and North Korea as a terror "axis of evil," but Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.) used the occasion to question the logic of warring on Iraq.

"We focused so much energy on Iraq, when other countries may have been more directly linked to 9/11 - that should give us pause," he told CNN's "Late Edition" over the weekend.


Maxxi Miser
QUOTE (Maxxi Miser @ Jul 19 2004, 04:11 PM)
The financiers of al Qaeda are to be found in Saudi Arabia.

All money trails lead to wealthy Saudis.
boltpeddler
My first post. I have the funny feeling that all this talk about Iran will lead to another attack. Have you heard about the rumors of reinstating the draft? I have bad feelings about this. I had a long talk with my 12 year old daughter, she is absolutley SCARED. Whats a guy to do?
depends
QUOTE (Maxxi Miser @ Jul 20 2004, 04:35 PM)
QUOTE (Maxxi Miser @ Jul 19 2004, 04:11 PM)
The financiers of al Qaeda are to be found in Saudi Arabia.

All money trails lead to wealthy Saudis.

Maxxi - good find. Uncle Jonathan running the laundry, eh? It's all too much!

Bolt - Hope you can help your daughter. Show her this - maybe it will give her some insight to what is really going on.

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/fear.html
Bag Holder
It sounds like an Iraq summer rerun: Weapons of mass destruction. Support for terrorism. Talk of U.N. Security Council action. Hints of a push for regime change. This time, however, the fuss is not over Iraq but about that country's next-door neighbor, Iran. Recent developments have been unsettling.

Poor Relations With Iran Turning Worse

Maxxi Miser
QUOTE (Bag Holder @ Jul 21 2004, 01:33 AM)
It sounds like an Iraq summer rerun: Weapons of mass destruction. Support for terrorism. Talk of U.N. Security Council action. Hints of a push for regime change. This time, however, the fuss is not over Iraq but about that country's next-door neighbor, Iran.

At least it's not far away. Just cross the border and there you are.

And of course, then there is Syria - also on the border to Iraq...

The axis of evil, remember?
threadbare
Boltpedlar, Have your daughter start working on a crazy as bejeezus psycho stare. She could also practise drooling, biting the air like a collie in the back seat of a panel station wagon while jabbering that she's Joan of Ark. wink2.gif Man when I was 12-20 I was clinically nuts, so it would have been dead easy for me grin.gif

I'm sorry, this is serious stuff, but my own take on it is it can't go on too much longer. There's no way if your daughter is 12 now, and draft age is 18 that it'll still be going on. The U.S can't afford it with a plunging dollar. It just CANT be done. The fed can't print it's way into success and the pirate's plunder of Mideast oil is not going to offset it.

Welcome. Where you from? What does Boltpedlar infer?
lb
QUOTE (machinehead @ Jul 19 2004, 05:46 PM)

Or will the war hawks tell us, "But this time the intelligence is true! New people are in charge! The CIA has been reformed! We can believe the intelligence this time! Really we can!" dry.gif

Of course they will. Why shouldn’t they? It works time after time. Any questioning of “the plan” is dealt with swiftly and the questioners end up wishing they had kept their mouth shut. They win. Give up.
The best we can hope for is that the fatsos will eat too much and pop.
Ned38
Iraq is pissed those no good dirty rotten scoundrels in Iran have been supporting the insurgents

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_1.html
Ned38
Oh and the Israelis also have an issue. Well if everyone is complaining I guess sumtin' oughtta be done about these guys eh George?
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story....0&w=RTR&coview=
boltpeddler
Thanks for the welcome, Thread. Boltpeddler infers my profession of trying to sell things to the mining industry. I hail from behind the zion curtain, "UTAH".

You know, come to think of it, when I was 12 I didnt want to know anything about the economy or politics. I guess my daughter has been "normalized" in the public school system here in Utah. By the way she already has that pchyco stare.

Sorry for the slow response, been on the road up north in Montana.

If Iran is next, then six years on the frontlines wouldnt be too out of the question, would it? I mean, our troops are spread pretty thin right now, and I see a draft, another front on the "war on terror" (got to keep the economy rolling) and no one to pick up the M-16 to do it.

Governors worry about guard troops
threadbare
Boltpedlar,

The whole war appears to be held together with duct tape, baling wire and string, resting on a faulty foundation of fantasy based assumptions, chief among them being that the oil bonanza will finance the whole shebang.

Don't think they can pull it off in the long term, maybe not even for months before the economy tanks. If they try to militarize the economy any further, the dollar will just fall further. Don't think W or the fed can pull anymore rabbits out of their ass, let alone anymore b-52 bombers to keep it going. Argentina didn't appear to be in any position to strong arm anyone when they had their little downward economic spiral.

Hey, thinking about your daughter. --Some more things she could do to qualify for a section 8. Pierce her body everywhere, put in a lip plug, dress like a harlot!!! Wait a minute....Hmmmm. grin.gif

So how is the bolt peddling business these days? Construction downturn going to affect you? Civil engineering projects, new bridges etc...in the future?

boltpeddler
I got to tell ya thread, if the mines are up, so am I. Coal is up, metals are up. But with the price of the commodity up so are thier costs. The biggest is the price of steel. Up 40% this year so far. Also surcharges. The steel mills are not apologizing for charging so much. Can I blame them? They were crushed by the subsidized production from the far east and europe for the past 20 years. There are only a few major domestic steel producers left. Also, China and india are taking our scrap, and keeping all thier own production now, so No IMPORTED STEEL has hit the west coast. But remember, THERE IS NO INFLATION. If there was, we would see it in the CPI.

Do we have the materials to make another tank? How much would one cost to make now? Catepiller has trouble finding material to make a dozer or loader, and charges the customer the steel surcharges to recoup some of the material costs.

In another month or two, with the costs of energy, fuel, and materials, they will have to show a large increase in the CPI. Unless of course they can wave the wand and make the number lower. wink.gif
Maxxi Miser

Snippet from The Staten Island Advance - Saturday, July 24, 2004

Commission says Saudis were cleared after 'exhaustive probe'

WASHINGTON -- The Sept. 11 commission finding clearing the Saudis of involvement with al-Qaida was based on an "exhaustive" probe of the 2002 congressional allegations that the government or its officials bankrolled the terrorist group, commission officials said yesterday.

The officials said the commission's first order of business last year was to investigate the congressional charges, which were contained in a redacted 28-page portion of the report issued by the House and Senate intelligence committees on their 2001-2002 inquiry into the Sept. 11 attacks.

Commission Chairman Thomas Kean said the 28 pages were not censored in the information made available to the 10-member commission and its staff.

"We followed [every lead] into the ground," Kean said.

The congressional committees had "basically unearthed a lot of leads" and suggested they ought to be investigated further, a senior Sept. 11 commission staff member told reporters yesterday.

"We worked them exhaustively," said the staff member. "We worked that stuff hard."

While the commission unanimously accepted the finding exonerating the Saudi government and officials, lawyers and plaintiffs in a 2002 $1 trillion lawsuit accusing wealthy Saudis of bankrolling al-Qaida have a different opinion.

"Our investigators have followed the paper trail and it led directly to the Saudis," said Sonny Goldstein of Dongan Hills, one of more than 700 Staten Island relatives of Sept. 11 victims who are plaintiffs in the lawsuit.

"If it were up to me I would have invaded Saudi Arabia first" after Sept. 11, said Goldstein. "I still think that is where the money is coming from."

Goldstein, whose daughter, Monica, 25, was killed at the World Trade Center, suggested that politics was behind the exoneration of the Saudis, longtime allies and major oil suppliers of the U.S.

"Because of their economic importance to the United States, it is taboo to touch them," Goldstein said.

Attorney John D'Amato of West Brighton, one of the lawyers in the suit, said the commission finding would not derail the legal action. "We have amassed hundreds of thousands of documents clearly showing a connection between the Saudis and al-Qaida that was systematic and coordinated", he contended.

constantpated
Team America

You asked, "What happened to the war on terror?"

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BeerMarket
y'all feeling safer yet? ohmy.gif

Pakistan: U.S. blew undercover operation

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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - The al-Qaida suspect named by U.S. officials as the source of information that led to this week’s terrorist alerts was working undercover, Pakistani intelligence sources said Friday, putting an end to the sting operation and forcing Pakistan to hide the man in a secret location.

Under pressure to justify the alerts in three Northeastern cities, U.S. officials confirmed a report by The New York Times that the man, Mohammad Naeem Noor Khan, was the source of the intelligence that led to the decision.
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