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threadbare


Kerry continues to flail away in a campaign that has to be the worst in history. He's just hired a guy, who was part of the Dukakis campaign team, to lead his campagin. He wants to lose. This is absolutely clear. Dukakis campaigner? Conscious lemming like behaviour. Can't wait for the photo op of Kerry in an ill fitting helmet riding around in a tank. The brilliantly staged film of the solemn choir master on a bicycle was bad enough.


"Who would you rather have in your corner, Sasso or Baker? In its hour of need the Kerry campaign brings on board James Sasso, breathlessly described in one news story as "canny and ruthless", but mostly known to the world as one of the men who ran the Dukakis campaign in 1988, which was about as far from "canny and ruthless"

http://www.counterpunch.org/
Gladiator

Threadbare -

Nancy and I discuss this often and by now wonder if the Democratic Party has the Death Wish.

It's a real shame that they were unwilling to get behind someone really substantial, such as Senator Joe Lieberman, who IOP would have made a great candidate and a great President.
alceringa
"I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.'

-Will Rogers

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Grand Poopercycle
Winning this election may well prove to be the ultimate booby prize, anyway.
And not in a comforting, 'Dolly Parton' sense either.

Lieberman was the lead Congresswhore for years in preventing stock options
from being expensed in any way. He's a hack, in his own way, like all the rest
are, in their own ways. Except Ron Paul and the occasional state-level 'eccentric'.
shorty
tan, rested, and ready?

Florida OK's Nader's Name on Election Ballot
Sep 13, 6:34 PM (ET)

By Jim Loney
MIAMI (Reuters) - Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader's name can appear on Florida ballots for the election, despite a court order to the contrary, Florida's elections chief told officials on Monday in a move that could help President Bush in the key swing state.

shorty
"I would love to have 16 years of Bush. I think it would be great for the country," said Dr. Zachariah Zachariah, a Fort Lauderdale cardiologist and Florida delegate.
Bush 3
wonmug
Top Dem Rips Kerry Campaign
(CBS) By David Paul Kuhn,
CBSNews.com Chief Political Writer

“There is nobody in charge and you have these two teams that are generally not talking to each other,” says Coehlo, who ran Al Gore's campaign early in the 2000 presidential race. As Coelho and other detractors see it, there is a civil war within the Kerry campaign.
...
The Democratic scuttlebutt has long been filled with concern over Shrum’s losing streak. He remains 0 for 7 in presidential elections, from George McGovern to Michael Dukakis to Al Gore. When Coelho resigned as chairman of the Gore campaign, Shrum, in large part, took the reins.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/14/...ain643438.shtml


Poll Jumpy
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2004_09_12_...520507016773892


Whaaa! I want to talk about the ISSUES!
by Matt Stoller
And here we enter the realm of spirituality, or lack thereof. In the liberal world, there is a hollowness of ideas, because our ideas are basically policy prescriptions devoid of moral character. The last great liberal spiritual movement was the Civil Rights movement, which connected the greatness of civil rights with the divine. Whether it was Mondale, Carter or Dukakis, there was a basic failure to create the spiritual bridge to progressive leadership - it was all about how Democrats will solve your problems, not that together we can redefine the spiritual mission of American identity.
And that's what voters want when they talk about 'issues'. They want to know what are the themes of the country for the next four years, not the policies that will be pursued. They want to know what they are signing on for, the tonal pattern that they are asked to follow. ...
http://www.bopnews.com/archives/001564.html#001564
machinehead
It's in the interest of duopolists to share a market, not compete over it.

The party bosses' agreement stipulates that Bush gets two terms, then the Democrats (probably Hillary) get two terms starting in 2008.

Kerry is playing his punch-pulling, shadow-boxing role quite creditably. Studiously avoiding the pink elephant in the living room (the fact that Bush is the biggest presidential liar in history), he puts on a good show of getting all wound up about picayune tangential issues which soon put even the Democratic faithful to sleep in the back rows.

Bravo!

Give that man an ambassadorship! Like Walter Mondale got ... laugh.gif
shorty
Robert Rubin angling for Treasury Secretary again
"The Kerry campaign had singer Sheryl Crow warm up the crowd in Madison. In Detroit, the candidate brought along a reminder that U.S. business can prosper under a Democratic president, receiving a glowing introduction from former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, who served in the Clinton administration."
Howl
The curious thing is that a candidate as weak as Kerry, with such a weak campaign is still able to score as high in the polls as Kerry does.

The real power of the US is not the presidency. It is the congress. It does not look like the democrats will be able to get control of congress. So it may be better for the democrats if Bush wins.
threadbare
I've got a bet with a friend that Bush will win. Win Bush, and take all of Babylon and the repuglicrat congress with you when you and your neocon buddies crater sometime soon. Hopefully the 2008 election, if there is one, will be won by an independant and the house will be chock full of independants, as well.

Kerry, was televised speechifying at a senior citizen's establishment the other day. Half the audience looked weary waiting for him to call out Bingo numbers, the other half politely smiled as they ruminated on the really important issue of the day--their corn pads, suppositories, and the next meal. Medicare? Who, WHAT? Is she a nice girl? Isn't that a foreign name?

Kerry pulls out charts, graphs, numbers and used too many words to try to get his point across. And he sounds too much like a really piss poor Sunday school teacher. Way too pedagogic.

There is only one way to fight George Bush in the senior's centers of the US.

"IF Bush gets in, no more Bingo, no more yummy dessert... and ladies, your hair will fall out, from the uhh...fall out. Show large poster of an elderly woman in a sleeveless top, one bra strap dangling, bald as a bowling ball. Notice the repetive use of the word fall out. Makes it easier to remember. I swear, they should hire me.
threadbare
Wayne Madson, Online journal

If Lyndon Johnson were alive today, he would tell us Democrats how to beat the crap out of the Republicans. There is a story about Johnson from his halcyon political days in Texas that is pertinent today. The rough and tumble politician was running for re-election to the Senate in 1952 and while on one of his trademark barnstorming campaign swings through the state he met an old Democratic political colleague—a small town sheriff who was also running for re-election. The sheriff told Johnson that he was facing an unexpectedly strong challenger in his re-election bid. Not thinking twice, Johnson told the sheriff to put out the word that his opponent "fornicateed pigs." The sheriff responded coolly to the idea, saying that it just wasn't true. Johnson replied, "So what! Make the son of a bitch deny it!" The Democrats of today should take a lesson from LBJ. This election cannot be played by Marquess of Queensberry rules. The Bush thugs have to be hoisted on their own petards.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/09...1504madsen.html
machinehead
QUOTE (threadbare @ Sep 16 2004, 07:24 PM)
Johnson replied, "So what! Make the son of a bitch deny it!"

Sound advice. But unfortunately, the bumbling Kerry has taken it up in a way that will boomerang back on himself:

QUOTE
BOSTON -  Democratic presidential challenger John Kerry said President Bush has a secret plan to call up more National Guard and Reserve troops immediately after the election, an allegation that the Bush campaign called "false and ridiculous." 

Kerry said the president was avoiding hard truths about casualties, new insurgencies and troop shortages. "He won't tell us that, day by day, we're running out of soldiers and that we're now resorted to a backdoor draft of our reservists and our National Guard."


Bush's Secret Troop Call-up Plan

All quite credible, and almost certainly true.

But ... what is Mr. Kerry going to do about it? After all, he hasn't promised to bring the troops home by a date certain. Instead, he's said that hopefully, maybe, probably, he could reduce the troop commitment by half during his term, as "we" "stay the course" in Iraq.

So if Kerry's opposed to further call-ups of the overstressed National Guard, we're left to conclude that he plans to introduce a draft of fresh-faced 19-year-olds to relieve them. [Look at the bolded keywords above -- Kerry's assertions.]

Kerry's campaign has already demonstrated that he's a colorless, imcompetent bumbler and vacillator. That's why they nominated him, you know -- he's not supposed to win.

Shame about all the well-meaning people who will spend thousands of hours registering voters, working the phones and putting up signs for this Bush stooge and accomplice.
The brown one
QUOTE (threadbare @ Sep 17 2004, 12:54 AM)


"IF Bush gets in, no more Bingo, no more yummy dessert... and ladies, your hair will fall out, from the uhh...fall out. Show large poster of an elderly woman in a sleeveless top, one bra strap dangling, bald as a bowling ball. Notice the repetive use of the word fall out. Makes it easier to remember. I swear, they should hire me.

Good one,Threadbare---Don't forget to mention rations of Soylent Green laugh.gif laugh.gif
Dustbowl
Kerry is a useless male tit of a human being. Stands for nothing and deserves nothing. Loser. Bush is a moronic, self-centered asshole. I would like to punch ole W right in the nose. If you think either of these assholes can help you, then think again. Why mess your life up worrying about politics? It's all a joke anyway. Get your kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames. J. Morrison.
The brown one
Think that Jim M had something there Dustbowl!
lb
No need for gallows humor any more. Now we have non leathal stunned humor.

George Bash can control the majority who hate his guts without that nasty TV blood footage we all love to see.

And now his administration can save energy too. They can save the energy that would be spent to cover up the shooting deaths of protesters. Always so much work to sanitize these things for the press. Even with the press bending over to help out.

Instead of martyrs we can now have a bunch of shell shocked babbling do-gooder protesters that will be lucky to control their own bodily functions. Such a deal. Better then lynching. Works in prison, works in school, works in the home.

GO UGHO. Go W. 4 more years of Bash. That should just about do it.
machinehead
Now Kerry is warning that Bush will bring back the draft, whereas he (Kerry) will not. This sounds like poll-driven 'positioning.'

If you accept the neocon premise that 'we' have to 'stay the course' in Iraq and hold those permanent bases, then a draft IS needed. Clearly there is a desperate shortage of military manpower.

In other words -- without a commitment to bring the troops home -- ALL of them -- a 'no new draft' promise is not credible.

It would end up like Bill Clinton's middle class tax cut -- I'm sorry folks, but after seeing the books that the previous administration hid from us, I realize we have no alternative ...
ShitEatingGrinner
lb, I believe that the day they start using non-lethal torture devices for crowd control is the day that the shooting civil war starts. Some aren't going to put up with that shit. wink.gif
threadbare
Machinehead, Grinner and all,--- Exactly.

Kerry's begun the easier job of lying through his teeth. Waffling is more transparent and even the near brain dead sensed it, even though they couldn't follow the break in the continuity of message.


Civil war will erupt with tasers and other non lethals being used on the domestic population, in protest marches. Other social factors will propel this forward, as has been mentioned on these boards many times. High unemployment, coupled with rising prices, in a country with high urban density, produces the inevitable--people with nothing to lose-- phenomenon. This is exactly what the Israelis fear so much in the Palestinian population. And like the Sharon govt. the Bush govt is creating the same scenario, not next door, but in it's own backyard.

Noam Chomsky has warned for a couple of decades that the US is "bringing the third world home" We shall see. I think unless there's some kind of divine intervention, it will happen. Kerry might have a different approach, but the results won't be that different.
machinehead
QUOTE
During a 1997 debate on CNN's "Crossfire," Sen. John Kerry, now the Democratic presidential nominee, made the case for launching a pre-emptive attack against Iraq. 

The U.N. Security Council had just adopted a resolution against Iraq that was watered down at the behest of the French and the Russians. Yet the candidate who now criticizes President Bush for ignoring French and Russian objections to the Iraq war blasted the two countries, claiming that they were compromised by their business dealings with Baghdad.

"We know we can't count on the French. We know we can't count on the Russians," said Mr. Kerry. "We know that Iraq is a danger to the United States, and we reserve the right to take pre-emptive action whenever we feel it's in our national interest."


More mush from the wimp

So we have two 'mainstream' candidates.

Bush -- every idea he has is wrong, but he clings to his wrong ideas with the tenacity of a bulldog.

Kerry -- blows with the polls, reads whatever script his Matrix handlers put in his hands. Stands for nothing except expediency.

The 'best case' outcome would be a mid-air collision of their campaign aircraft. sad.gif cry.gif
lb
QUOTE (machinehead @ Sep 24 2004, 12:04 PM)
So we have two 'mainstream' candidates.

Bush -- every idea he has is wrong, but he clings to his wrong ideas with the tenacity of a bulldog.

Kerry -- blows with the polls, reads whatever script his Matrix handlers put in his hands. Stands for nothing except expediency.

The 'best case' outcome would be a mid-air collision of their campaign aircraft. sad.gif cry.gif

B o r I i n g……

Two turds in a bole. How much more excitement can we take. One turd doesn’t even know he is a turd and the other thinks he can rise out of turdship by not rocking the boat. What a contest. What a race. What a humiliating waist of time, money and civilisation.

Faith based politics sucks worse then faith based religion. At least the real morons who have “faith” that W. Bash is good for the country provide some interest. They show us what a constant diet of pig, FOX and grits can do to the brain.

Those supporting John Queery are not even interesting from an evolutionary standpoint. Their motto is “we are stupid because we choose to be”.

Love the picture of their two plains colliding in mid air MH. How about over the Halliburton’s headquarters. Chaos uber alis.
Pee Brain
QUOTE (lb @ Sep 24 2004, 01:02 PM)
QUOTE (machinehead @ Sep 24 2004, 12:04 PM)
So we have two 'mainstream' candidates.

Bush -- every idea he has is wrong, but he clings to his wrong ideas with the tenacity of a bulldog.

Kerry -- blows with the polls, reads whatever script his Matrix handlers put in his hands. Stands for nothing except expediency.

The 'best case' outcome would be a mid-air collision of their campaign aircraft.  sad.gif  cry.gif

B o r I i n g……

Two turds in a bole. How much more excitement can we take. One turd doesn’t even know he is a turd and the other thinks he can rise out of turdship by not rocking the boat. What a contest. What a race. What a humiliating waist of time, money and civilisation.

Faith based politics sucks worse then faith based religion. At least the real morons who have “faith” that W. Bash is good for the country provide some interest. They show us what a constant diet of pig, FOX and grits can do to the brain.

Those supporting John Queery are not even interesting from an evolutionary standpoint. Their motto is “we are stupid because we choose to be”.

Love the picture of their two plains colliding in mid air MH. How about over the Halliburton’s headquarters. Chaos uber alis.


lb,

you are 2 turds short for thr 4-pack, although john edwards, may not count as i dont think he has been sighted more than once or twice this summer? what does edwards look like? where is that dude?
machinehead
QUOTE (Pee Brain @ Sep 24 2004, 06:32 PM)
you are 2 turds short for thr 4-pack, although john edwards, may not count as i dont think he has been sighted more than once or twice this summer? what does edwards look like? where is that dude?

John is actually kinda foxy when he "dresses up," though I could do without those dykey bangs ... laugh.gif
lb
You people go ahead and make fun of George Botch all you want to. We all know he is a great president and a fine man.

People made fun of Mao Zedong, when he made some little mistakes. But look at China now.

Botch 4 more years.
machinehead
QUOTE
French and German government officials say they will not significantly increase military assistance in Iraq even if John Kerry, the Democratic presidential challenger, is elected on November 2.

Mr Kerry ... has pledged to improve relations with European allies and increase international military assistance in Iraq.


No dice, doofus

Rush Limbaugh scurrilously accuses Kerry of "running to France and Germany for help" -- but now even THEY jerk the carpet out from under his feet ... as ANYONE could have predicted. (Who in their right mind would stumble into a deepening quagmire?)

France and Germany probably know that Bush has this race wired ... better to indirectly support the winner and pick up a few chips for future trading.
wonmug
QUOTE (machinehead @ Sep 27 2004, 11:15 AM [URL=http://news.ft.com/cms/s/36048bf8-0ff7-11d9-ba62-00000e2511c8.html)
No dice, doofus[/URL]

...France and Germany probably know that Bush has this race wired ... better to indirectly support the winner and pick up a few chips for future trading.

QUOTE
In fact, high-ranking German officials are privately concerned at the prospect of Mr Kerry becoming president, arguing it would not change US demands but make it more difficult to reject them.


Similar take from Stratfor on Mauldin’s site:

George Friedman, of Stratfor, wrote a piece … which looks at the misperception in the US and around the world about US foreign policy. George argues that the old cold war alliances are longed for by many Europeans, yet seen as outdated to the U.S. in the new geopolitical climate. …

The U.S. Election and the International System September 14, 2004 By George Friedman

[…] One could conclude from this that foreign leaders generally hope that John Kerry defeats Bush. It is a more complicated matter than that. It is fair to say that most foreign leaders do not personally like Bush. At the same time, it has been three years since Sept. 11, and the irresistible pressure the United States has placed on many foreign governments has already caused them to reshape their policies toward the United States and the war. So, for example, Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan or Vladimir Putin of Russia may well personally dislike Bush and his entire foreign policy team. However, they have already placed heavy bets on Bush's foreign policy and incurred the domestic political costs of doing so. If Bush were to lose and Kerry were to shift U.S. policy dramatically, these leaders would have to scramble, and some of them might fall.
[…] All of this goes back to basic foreign misunderstanding of American politics. Though both Bush and Kerry agree on the principle that the United States should never fight without allies -- that is a non-issue -- they disagree on two points. First, Bush argues that the alliance system that won the Cold War is irrelevant today; what Germany thinks on a subject doesn't matter nearly as much now as what Pakistan thinks. Kerry argues that the European relationships that won the Cold War should remain the foundations of foreign policy today. Bush's view of alliances is that they are temporary instruments designed to achieve particular ends; Kerry's view is that they ought to be permanent institutions for managing the international system.
[…] Most foreign leaders do not understand this quintessentially American debate. They look at U.S. behavior in naturally parochial views -- what is in it for them. In general, they view U.S. behavior since Sept. 11 as unfortunate, but most are far past the point of no return. They are not so much betting on Bush in this election as having already bet so heavily on Bush that they have no alternative any longer. Most are engaged in ingratiating themselves with Bush. Most seem to think that Bush will win the election. They do not seem to understand why. They are not happy with the likely outcome, yet prefer it to the alternative. …
wonmug
Debunking the myth of the Faustian Republicans
QUOTE
…A great, hysterical, celebrate-our-victimhood-and-righteous-martyrdom myth of Democrats I've worked with across the country is that the Republicans win because they are evil and sneaky.
Er, no.
They win because they have discipline and organization and they approach politics like a business. Democrats do politics like community theatre. They train for the Olympics like a cold-war era Soviet team and while we throw together a pick-up team for a game of street hockey.
We don't deserve to win.
The Democratic Party doesn't deserve to win, but the American people don't deserve to lose. And, other than Howard Dean's Democratic machine, the people are locked out of American politics. …
posted by Shaula Evans -tsuredzuregusa blog

machinehead
QUOTE
"When John Kerry is your president, we will find these terrorists, we will find al-Qaida where they are, and we will crush them," Edwards told an audience at Carnegie Mellon University.


Appeal to Women on Terror (?)

I swear, these stooges have the Republican National Committee writing their speeches for them.

"I will be just like Bush ... only TOUGHER and BETTER!"

What a ludicrous, losing proposition.
threadbare
Kerry is just one small goose step from getting into that tank and riding around Dukakis style. Tougher and better. Yeah right. "If you elect me, I promise to be an even bigger a**hole than Bush". What a fool, fop, uber-ninny.
alceringa
A view from downunder..........

The trouble with Kerry . . . is Kerry

Image is almost all in the US, and John Kerry has a big problem with his........

It would be nice to think we lived in a world where substance mattered more than style. But we don't. Image counts for almost everything, especially in the United States. And that's a big problem for John Kerry.

Senator Kerry - a former soldier who saved the lives of comrades in Vietnam - is trying to defeat George Bush but he will go into the first TV debate this week looking like, well, as Arnold Schwarzenegger might say, a "girlie-man".

It's his own fault. Any image-maker could have told him that a man who wants to be president must be presidential in gait, manner and style. Senator Kerry has instead been photographed in bicycle shorts, tight ones. Then he went windsurfing in flowered, Spandex shorts.

Worse, he's French-speaking and rides a motorcycle while wearing a tie. And he has a wife who is older and richer than he, and who only grudgingly bears his name (worse, she couples it with the name of her dead first husband, John Heinz, who was a Republican).

Senator Kerry will have to face Mr Bush - who plays the swaggering cowboy better than most actors - in a TV debate on Friday. This is no small matter. According to Fox News, 75 per cent of swing voters say the TV debates help them make up their minds.

During a war, it makes sense that voters want a strong leader; one who is decisive. Senator Kerry is not often that, which is why Bush supporters gleefully grabbed footage of him windsurfing (in his flowered shorts) for a TV commercial. It shows him gliding back and forth across the screen, blowing in the wind, a metaphor, they say, for how he changes his position on important issues - especially Iraq.

Many people are angry about these attacks. Feminist Naomi Wolf, a life-long left-winger, complained last week: "Listen to what the Republicans are hitting Kerry with: Indecisive. Effete. French. They are all but calling this tall, accomplished war hero gay."

Actually, nobody has said Senator Kerry is gay. He dated too many starlets, including Catherine Oxenberg, to be so accused. How he accomplished that is a mystery since he is also considered ugly. All the comedians attack him for it. As joker Marc Theobald told an audience last week: "Kerry doesn't have a presidential face. If you were sitting in a doctor's office and he walked in, you'd say, 'Oh my God, I'm dying'."

The New York Times last week consulted experts to see what could be done about the senator's image. Caroline Keating, a professor of psychology, said his "droopy brows and hooded eyes send a signal of age and lethargy". Happily, he has "buoyant, exciting hair".

But Senator Kerry is known to sweat when he talks, which makes voters uneasy. His team wanted the temperature for the TV debate set below 25 degrees but that's impossible under TV lights. Mr Bush's team wanted the podiums set far apart since Senator Kerry is 12 centimetres taller than the President...............


Full Story from Melbourne's The Age Free registration may be required..........






shorty
The famous kiss.
shorty
The attempted copy -- REJECTED!
shorty
The consolation tryst.
shorty
The divorce.
shorty
They were an odd couple anyway.
Whadda I Do Whadda I Do
George doesn.t look so bad either.
Whadda I Do Whadda I Do
Dems
megabear
Watching these debates it has occurred to me that neither candidate wants to win the election. My God, they bore us to death citing the same lines over and over, most of which involve BS statistics. Kerry was “supposedly” a champion debater, a successful trial lawyer. Give me a break, I know high school debate team members who could have clobbered either one of these two. GW seemed to be on a double dose of Valium for the first debate and a double dose of speed for the second and third debate. Could it be that they both can see the writing on the wall and know that the next President will leave the White House a hated man?

On the lighter side, you guys are so damn funny I had tears in my eyes laughing about the old bald ladies at bingo, Bush supporters eating pig, fox and grits and that wonderful image of the two campaign planes crashing in mid air. LOL x 10.
depends
Bad rap on kerry
http://www.frontsteps.com/creations/A21/11...hp?t=1097934035

I wonder if this is by the DNC?
depends
My neighbor overtly patriotic Dave's
firefighters for Kerry Edwards sign.
depends
http://www.thesmoketownsix.us/
ShitEatingGrinner
My block usually has more political signs in the yard than it does this year. Strange how few are out there.

Being the tolerant landlord that I am, I allowed my downstairs tenants to place a Kerry Edwards sign in the yard. It is the only KE sign on he block. Yesterday some woman in an SUV cruised by, saw the sign, turned around, pulled up in front of my house. She did something with a notebook. Couldn't tell if she was writing the address or what. Creepy.

The only other sign on the block is a Bush Cheney sign two doors down. The woman in the SUV didn't stop at her house...I would say "bring it on" but these Bush facists are spineless and are most likely to act in a sneaky, cowardly manner. A straight-on confrontation with facist lunatics on my property would be fun, since I have a nice axe, but having my house burned down by cowardly Bushites doesn't appeal to me. I am, of course, being slightly paranoid wink.gif

shorty
Funny video of Edwards primping his hair
The brown one
QUOTE (depends @ Oct 16 2004, 04:03 PM)
http://www.thesmoketownsix.us/

Depends:

Interstingly that pic on the site is the windmills at Kinderdijk and only 20 miles from here!!

Glad the guys got off on the charges--so not all judges are called Scalia in the US!
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