I have become increasingly pessimistic as I witness the stealth with which this government has moved, and the willingness of the public to either applaud, or quietly acquiesce. It has the feel the late 1920s early 1930s Germany. The parallels are frightening.

MH - that is my concern about Panama as well. Anti- American sentiment is not high there currently. But it has been in the past and could be again if the US takes over.

Soup...edited the panamainfo link on origianl post-should have looked it up-sorry about that Chief! Here's the proper link...

http://www.panamainfo.com/home.php?categoria=home

Hey Sudaca, what about Peyu?

How about Australia? Peacefull like Canada, but far away from the US. Thailand is a beautiful place too - and cheap.

Anyone wanna start a relocation thread? Might prove to be real important in the near future

Any registered board member can start a relocation thread on LOB.

I've had some friends look seriously at Costa Rica for a final retirement destination.

Bung

Can't wait for everyone to move out.

I'll have Calif. to myself................

Well whatever.

I have not meet anyone in my travels that is antiAMERICAN.

Besides anti American is a Stupid Label as would be Anti Japanese

or anti CANADIAN or any of the rest of that bigot bullshit.

What I have met and some of them are on this board are individuals from different countries and they have their assets and liabilities and none of them
are perfect including me.



Some of my family live in United States and are United States Citizens.

So I'll just talk about them.

Some of them are not people that I would prefer to spend my day with whether their President was Clinton Washington Bush or Kennedy etc.

Then some of them, well they could stay forever and I would miss them if they went away. Whether there President was whoever.

My Dad said to me Farmer whenever your point your finger at someone try to remember 3 fingers are pointing back at you.

I'm sure right now for everyone here, that within a few feet of you are people you like and some you dislike and that's your call.

But anti 300,000,000 people is a bit of a strecth, even for me.

End of rant

Plunger: You got my vote.

Ha, I left '68.

Never looked back.

Never missed a thing.

273: Where did you go?

farmer
Well said and nice to see you back!
I love Saskatchewan

I did the self-assessment test a couple of years ago, and discovered I needn't have married WH to get into Canada. I could have simply arrived on the basis of my point score.

On the other hand, at the time, immigrating to what I thought was an exceedingly cold country, and socialist and debt-ridden at that, was not high on my list of priorities. The things one does for love.

I'll add one more tidbit about Central America: only Panama seems to have clear title laws , which offer some security against having your property nationalized in a banana republic coup. Lots of Americans in Costa Rica, but property is now expensive, and so is the lifestyle. More cosmopolitan than Panama however.

Creeping fascism and the corporate media who encourages it and glosses over
the frightening parallels with earlier,more earthy types and times.

Seems the neo-nutzis and the official truth portals have a dovetailing agenda.

How very lovely.

Say,how come the upcoming war with Iran is not being reported on with much enthusiasm?

I guess it's not all that important;war here,war there,gosh,who can keep track of
all the USSA wars on dis and dat and de udder.

Let's just focus on another story,how's that consumer confidence thingie going?

Escape from America

Ned,

You shpuld be. The draft starts next year.

TE do you have a link for info ?

Never mind---------I found some------------Thanks anyway

http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/105146.php

Demographics and Witlessness

Mexico?

This little chart shows what a 16% bull feed can do.
Wonder what 20% would do?

Plunger's got it right...bloom where you're planted. I've done a lot of travelling; for the wealthy, it's a zero sum game. You either pay your taxes, bribe the right people, or hire a small batallion to protect you and your family. I went to a party put on by the Occidental Pertroleum chief in Peru in 1983; he and his family lived at the top of an 11 story building with semi-auto armed guards at the parking, groud elevator, floor elevator levels, and one guard who even stayed in the entry way when guests were there.

Of course, he was an American living abroad. The local wealthy didn't have to go to these extremes. They just kept their assets in Miami banks.

If you lived in the 60-70's, you know that processes of change take time. And once the change arrives, it is usually not the change you hoped for. For the US, the best result would be an extremely close election, maybe involving the Supreme Court again. The neocons need a jolt; a wide margin of victory would be a nightmare. A loss to Kerry would polarize them even further.

America opened phase II in the 20's, after we had populated sea to shining sea like a bus load of chocolate-crazed kids dumped off a bus at the Disneyland gates in 1620. Took 300 years.

Phase III started sometime in the past 10 years, when the 80 years of population pressure, now contained within a fixed geography, demanded expansionism. If you take a non-ethnocentric look at what's happening in the world, the expansionistic desires, broadly defined, of the USA are clear.

Most Americans want the rest of the world to be like us. This was also the sentiment of the French, British, German and Japanese Empires at their peak. The US is developing, but does not yet have in place, the authoritarian structure that these other countries had. So my view is there is still time.

In 8 years (Bush4 + Hilary/Edwards 4), this will not likely be the case.

'Keep it legal...this is the United States and we have a Constitution...which if allowed to work properly, will solve the problem.'


That's what loyalists to King George were saying back in 1776. There comes a time, however, when the lamp posts are all the mob will accept.

those who are unhappy with the current US government should be thankfull that the draft will be re-introduced. Why? Cause only when middle and upper-middle-class america will be forced to go to the slaughterfield something CAN and likely WILL change. At least thats what happend during Vietnam as far as i know. As long as only the poor schmucks who failed high school died in the rice fields no one had that a big problem with the war. But then, when 19 year iold WASP A-student died, THEN the proetest began. Say it aint so, cause its the truth.

See, right now the latino cannon fooder dies in iraq, the Gonzalezes and Ramirezes die, while their poor mother has to clean the scum of a rich californian scumbag. Only THEN WHEN the 19 year old son of the rich californian scumbag will return back with the flag on the casket THEN something will change. THATS the truth, everythig else is wishi-washi.

If y'all missed Bill Moyers' NOW on PBS last night it is a must see. Usually repeats on Sunday nights. Returning Iraq vet tells it like it is. kept there after his tour was up to guard Halliburton truckers. plenty po ed.

There's only one way to get our countries back from the warmongers,unrelenting
mockery.I call it the Marshmallow Revolution,a good example of the strategy;

Howard shadowed by giant 'rat'
September 18, 2004 - 12:24PM


Prime Minister John Howard was ambushed in his own electorate of Bennelong by a person dressed in a rat suit claiming to be The Lying Rodent.

The `rodent' and his minders followed Mr Howard and his daughter Melanie on a street walk through West Ryde, in Sydney's west.

The local Democrats candidate Peter Goldfinch joined in the heckling while a posse of banner-carrying Young Liberals tried to silence them.

Security guards pushed away the troublesome protesters as Mr Howard walked along the street, but their cat calls of "lying rodent for PM" could be heard loud and clear.

See, the fromer GDR (East Germany) didnt have many good things, but they had a good national anthem. Ironically the east germans were forbidden to sing the anthem, only the music was played. It was becasue the words "Germany" appeared to often in the text, so the East German moscow-educated politicians thought it was too nationalistic.

here is the second of three phrases of the hymn:

"May happiness and peace be granted to Germany, our Fatherland.
The whole world longs for peace, extend your hand to all peoples.
If we unite fraternally, we will defeat the enemy of the People.
Let the light of peace shine, so that a mother never again
mourns her son,
mourns her son."

source: link

thats really a peacefull hymn, dont you think?

Don't sleep 'til the sunrise, listen 2 the falling rain
Don't worry 'bout tomorrow, don't worry 'bout your pain
Don't cry unless you're happy, don't smile unless you're blue
Never let that lonely monster take control of U

Be glad that U r free
Free 2 change your mind
Free 2 go most anywhere, anytime
Be glad that U r free
There's many a man who's not
Be glad 4 what U had baby, what you've got
Be glad 4 what you've got

I know (my?) heart is beating, my drummer tells me so
If U take your life 4 granted, your beating heart will go
So don't sleep until you're guilty, 'cuz sinners all r we
There's others doing far worse than us, so be glad that U r free

Be glad that U r free
Free 2 change your mind
Free 2 go most anywhere, anytime
Be glad that U r free
There's many a man who's not
Be glad 4 what U had baby, what you've got
Be glad 4 what you've got

Soldiers are a marching, they're writing brand new laws
Will we all fight together 4 the most important cause?
Will we all fight 4 the right 2 be free?
Free (Be glad that U r free)
Free 2 change my mind (Free 2 change your mind)
Free 2 go most anywhere, anytime (Free 2 go most anywhere,anytime)
I'm just glad, I'm just glad I'm free, yeah (Be glad that U r free)
There's many a man who's not (There's many a man who's not)
Glad 4 what I had baby, (Be glad 4 what U had and)
Glad 4 what I got, oh yeah (for what you've got)
Oh I'm just glad, I'm just glad I'm free,yeah (Be glad that U r free)
Free 2 change my mind (Free 2 change your mind)
Free 2 go most anywhere, anytime (Free 2 go most anywhere,anytime)
(Be glad that U r free)
(There's many a man who's not)
I'm so... (Be glad 4 what U had and for)
(what you've got)


Prince/ Free ( for the time being, I am staying)