This man tried to kill my dad.
The Onion is some of the funniest stuff you will ever read. That said, this one actually made me choke up a touch.....
God Angrily Clarifies 'Don't Kill' Rule
"I don't care how holy somebody claims to be," God said. "If a person tells you it's My will that they kill someone, they're wrong. Got it? I don't care what religion you are, or who you think your enemy is, here it is one more time: No killing, in My name or anyone else's, ever again."
- Man have we let that poor bastard down. Doc, you need to add a 'smiley' face. A shameful one.
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To say that there is never justification for killing is just totally ridiculous.
Are you saying that my Father and thousands of other Americans who killed Japs and Gerries in WWII were sinning against God ?
That's absurd.
It's like saying that if someone is coming at you with a gun and you've got a gun handy oyu shouldn't use it.
But then the Pope did speak today on the subject of the war in Iraq and he was adamant (again) that this is not a justifiable war.
That puts Catholics in the military over there in a real predicament.
Are you saying that my Father and thousands of other Americans who killed Japs and Gerries in WWII were sinning against God ?
That's absurd.
It's like saying that if someone is coming at you with a gun and you've got a gun handy oyu shouldn't use it.
But then the Pope did speak today on the subject of the war in Iraq and he was adamant (again) that this is not a justifiable war.
That puts Catholics in the military over there in a real predicament.
| QUOTE (DogBoy @ Jan 17 2003, 01:05 AM) |
| But then the Pope did speak today on the subject of the war in Iraq and he was adamant (again) that this is not a justifiable war. |
I seem to recall a previous pope feeling similarly about a war against some folks called the Nazis. Maybe the pope isn't the best authority on whether or not we should go to war.
"I seem to recall a previous pope feeling similarly about a war against some folks called the Nazis."
I doubt that. During WWII the church worked in many ways against Hitler and tried to do what it could.
Many Catholic priests went to the death chamber as well.
And besides the Pope was behind enemy lines in The Vatican.
Also today the Pope clarified the Church's position on politicians who support abortion rights.
They are essentially persona non-grata --- not in good standing with the church.
This is something he should have done 20 years ago.
What happenned today in Rome is probably the most severe rebuke to any American President ever by a Pontiff.
I doubt that. During WWII the church worked in many ways against Hitler and tried to do what it could.
Many Catholic priests went to the death chamber as well.
And besides the Pope was behind enemy lines in The Vatican.
Also today the Pope clarified the Church's position on politicians who support abortion rights.
They are essentially persona non-grata --- not in good standing with the church.
This is something he should have done 20 years ago.
What happenned today in Rome is probably the most severe rebuke to any American President ever by a Pontiff.
To clarify, my shot was at Pius XII, not the church as a whole. Sorry if I offended anyone. I agree many church members fought the Nazis. My father has a friend who was saved from the Nazis by being hidden in a convent as a girl in France.
There's a strong debate about Pius XII, and whether he was anti-semitic or not. The vatican claims he was not, but they won't release all the papers from the era. That tends to make me a tad suspicious. While I don't think he made any pro-Nazi statements (at least in public) he didn't speak out against them either.
The claim is that he didn't want to "make things worse." I don't see how you can make things worse than genocide. Maybe he meant "make things worse for him"?
On a final note, the current pope is an honorable man, and I respect him greatly. He has taken many courageous stands and spoken out against many wrongs done by the church in the past.
SB
There's a strong debate about Pius XII, and whether he was anti-semitic or not. The vatican claims he was not, but they won't release all the papers from the era. That tends to make me a tad suspicious. While I don't think he made any pro-Nazi statements (at least in public) he didn't speak out against them either.
The claim is that he didn't want to "make things worse." I don't see how you can make things worse than genocide. Maybe he meant "make things worse for him"?
On a final note, the current pope is an honorable man, and I respect him greatly. He has taken many courageous stands and spoken out against many wrongs done by the church in the past.
SB
Dogboy, no killing in God's name. Not no killing in self defence.
The pope a moral authority?---hopefully not more than the ones involved in "project paper-clip", post second world war.
The pope a moral authority?---hopefully not more than the ones involved in "project paper-clip", post second world war.
"no killing in self defence"
Come on, you aren't serious are you ?
If some punk gang banger was flashing a gun at you in a parking lot you wouldn't reach in for your 45 and toast him ?
We live in the most violent era in all of human history.
And suburban areas that were previously thought to be fee from major crimes are now the breeding ground for the fastest growing segment of criminals in the US:
young white boys
It's interesting that crime among black youth is dropping just as crime among white youth (who learned their "skills" from the thru black gansta rap) is exploding.
There really is no safe place anymore.
Come on, you aren't serious are you ?
If some punk gang banger was flashing a gun at you in a parking lot you wouldn't reach in for your 45 and toast him ?
We live in the most violent era in all of human history.
And suburban areas that were previously thought to be fee from major crimes are now the breeding ground for the fastest growing segment of criminals in the US:
young white boys
It's interesting that crime among black youth is dropping just as crime among white youth (who learned their "skills" from the thru black gansta rap) is exploding.
There really is no safe place anymore.
Dogboy,
methinks you totally misunderstood assteroid:
qo takes the above to mean, "Don't kill in god's name, but killing in self defense is OK." That is, assteroid was clarifying the meaning of the original quote that goldi posted "Not no killing in self defence" translates as "The original quote doesn't mention self-defense when it says 'No killing, in My name or anyone else's, ever again'.'"
And, qo agrees with that interpretation. That is, god is simply saying not to kill in his name, or anyone else's name. It's A-OK to kill otherwise
Uh, can we get a lawyer to interpret the fine print? 
qo
methinks you totally misunderstood assteroid:
| QUOTE |
| Dogboy, no killing in God's name. Not no killing in self defence. |
qo takes the above to mean, "Don't kill in god's name, but killing in self defense is OK." That is, assteroid was clarifying the meaning of the original quote that goldi posted "Not no killing in self defence" translates as "The original quote doesn't mention self-defense when it says 'No killing, in My name or anyone else's, ever again'.'"
And, qo agrees with that interpretation. That is, god is simply saying not to kill in his name, or anyone else's name. It's A-OK to kill otherwise
Uh, can we get a lawyer to interpret the fine print? qo
Dogboy. Calm down.
No one said self defense wasn't a good thing. Some people certainly would but not me, and not that article. What that article addresses are the power lusters who so easily and so often rip the fabric of societies apart by finding the differences that separate us and exploiting them into wholesale madness for their own benefit.
No one said self defense wasn't a good thing. Some people certainly would but not me, and not that article. What that article addresses are the power lusters who so easily and so often rip the fabric of societies apart by finding the differences that separate us and exploiting them into wholesale madness for their own benefit.
Pious XII never made one single speech using the word, Hitler. He never denounced the Nazi's and he made specific deals to protect the rights of catholics in return for his silence on the 'Jewish' issue. When it was apparent all was lost for the evil regime, Pious XII even established a pipeline to ferry Nazi bigwigs out of Germany to safety in South America. All the brave, selfless priests and catholics that took a stand against the evils of the Nazi's were left high and try by the Vatican. Very sad, but true. To some, the war of religions rages on.
Megabear, I believe that pipeline for Nazis (including the sadist Mengele) to South America, is the Project Paper Clip, I mentioned. Not quite sure. Maybe there was more than one conduit.
The present pope has apparently NEVER supported the liberation theology priests in South America. Apparently that would be "too political". He, as a matter of fact, has given the priests who involve themselves in the struggle for liberation from dictatorship and fascism, the papal equivalent of supreme sh**. Threatened to ex-communicate priests who have even the most benign involvement. The Roman Catholic church is an anti-democratic body that has exported miserable copies of itself in the form of Latin fascist states. Their support of the Nazis during the second world war is not the exception to the rule, it IS the rule.
The real strength of the Catholicism, is its body, the people who belong to it, as a congregation. They're beautiful. Its head should be promptly severed. The sooner, the better.
REad Thomas Manchester's-"A world lit only by fire" for a critical and colorful critique of the Catholic church's role in the dark ages.
The present pope has apparently NEVER supported the liberation theology priests in South America. Apparently that would be "too political". He, as a matter of fact, has given the priests who involve themselves in the struggle for liberation from dictatorship and fascism, the papal equivalent of supreme sh**. Threatened to ex-communicate priests who have even the most benign involvement. The Roman Catholic church is an anti-democratic body that has exported miserable copies of itself in the form of Latin fascist states. Their support of the Nazis during the second world war is not the exception to the rule, it IS the rule.
The real strength of the Catholicism, is its body, the people who belong to it, as a congregation. They're beautiful. Its head should be promptly severed. The sooner, the better.
REad Thomas Manchester's-"A world lit only by fire" for a critical and colorful critique of the Catholic church's role in the dark ages.
I just could not believe what I was reading and so funny. 
Bush just can’t control him self. I wonder what kind of dreams he is having every night. I bet its even funnier then the article 
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Bush just can’t control him self. I wonder what kind of dreams he is having every night. I bet its even funnier then the article A contract on Saddam
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FeedFool, that article is, IMHO, astounding. Why is this legal:
When gambling on sporting events is not? A sporting event has a quantifiable outcome as well, right? What's the deal with this?
qo
| QUOTE |
| The only restriction is that an event's outcome be quantifiable and that there be enough interest to make a market. Will John Kerry be the Democratic nominee for President, will "Chicago" win an Oscar, will the U.S. unemployment rate rise above 7 percent by year end -- all are contracts that are being traded. |
When gambling on sporting events is not? A sporting event has a quantifiable outcome as well, right? What's the deal with this?
qo
I can't believe the level of denial. Did you not read the onion article?
Killing is wrong.
Is it absurd? Some people's dads were Nazis who killed people. I bet some of them have their rationalisations too. Others have learnt to live with it.
People get coerced or tricked into doing wrong things all the time, often by making them believe it is right. Does that make it right? Maybe you believe they will be forgiven.
When you go to meet your maker:
God: You've been killing people haven't you? Didn't you read your bible?
DogBoy: But, but... it was self-defense.
God: I don't remember making an exception about that. Son, didn't I tell you to remind them about the no killing rule?
Jesus: Yeah, Father, I did tell them, honest!
DogBoy: But my dad did it too and he said it was OK.
God: Who's God? Who? Who?
DogBoy: (embarrassed silence)
God: If a society grows up where adultery is considered legitimate, does that make it OK? Is murder legitimate because society is manipulated into fighting wars by their tyrannical rulers and manipulators? Well, I'm God and I say it's wrong. Why could you not see this?
DogBoy: Sorry, I didn't realise.
God: Well I'm not too happy about this. I forgave your father because he was misguided but a good man at heart. But you, I gave you a brain so you could see through all the lies and propaganda. I made you resistant to the brainwashing so you could persue the truth. What did you do? You played the markets! All that talent... wasted. What did Jesus tell you about rich men? There is no money is heaven. I made heaven for people who obeyed My commandments. Do you expect Me to let you in?
DogBoy:
What's your answer going to be?
Killing is wrong.
| QUOTE (DogBoy) |
| Are you saying that my Father and thousands of other Americans who killed Japs and Gerries in WWII were sinning against God ? That's absurd. |
Is it absurd? Some people's dads were Nazis who killed people. I bet some of them have their rationalisations too. Others have learnt to live with it.
People get coerced or tricked into doing wrong things all the time, often by making them believe it is right. Does that make it right? Maybe you believe they will be forgiven.
When you go to meet your maker:
God: You've been killing people haven't you? Didn't you read your bible?
DogBoy: But, but... it was self-defense.
God: I don't remember making an exception about that. Son, didn't I tell you to remind them about the no killing rule?
Jesus: Yeah, Father, I did tell them, honest!
DogBoy: But my dad did it too and he said it was OK.
God: Who's God? Who? Who?
DogBoy: (embarrassed silence)
God: If a society grows up where adultery is considered legitimate, does that make it OK? Is murder legitimate because society is manipulated into fighting wars by their tyrannical rulers and manipulators? Well, I'm God and I say it's wrong. Why could you not see this?
DogBoy: Sorry, I didn't realise.
God: Well I'm not too happy about this. I forgave your father because he was misguided but a good man at heart. But you, I gave you a brain so you could see through all the lies and propaganda. I made you resistant to the brainwashing so you could persue the truth. What did you do? You played the markets! All that talent... wasted. What did Jesus tell you about rich men? There is no money is heaven. I made heaven for people who obeyed My commandments. Do you expect Me to let you in?
DogBoy:
What's your answer going to be?
If anyone is wondering why people didn't speak out against fascism in Germany, you should reflect on what is happening in America now. Only a few weeks ago, there were there posts about the round up of muslim immigrants. Were you out protesting?
[QUOTE=Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984) a Pastor in the Confessing Church] When Hitler attacked the Jews I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions and industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then, Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church -- and there was nobody left to be concerned. [/QUOTE]
WTC -- Reichstag.
Decree of the Reich President for the Protection of the People and State -- PATRIOT and MEHPA
Concentration camps -- FEMA Camps
Do you see any parallels?
[QUOTE=Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984) a Pastor in the Confessing Church] When Hitler attacked the Jews I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions and industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then, Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church -- and there was nobody left to be concerned. [/QUOTE]
WTC -- Reichstag.
Decree of the Reich President for the Protection of the People and State -- PATRIOT and MEHPA
Concentration camps -- FEMA Camps
Do you see any parallels?
Acording to the warmongers all that is just Arab propaganda and if you disagree then you are a Hate-monger...
They will be blindsided.
They will be blindsided.
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