QUOTE(Pacific @ Aug 27 2007, 07:58 AM)
Good Morning Guys!! Long time lurker, thought I might start to participate......if the market is 18% over valued presently does that mean the other fakeover targets should get that premium sucked out of them? Specifically looking at STI as it has been propped by JPM stories....these folks have a major presence in Florida commercial real estate. Thoughts?
Welcome Pacific!
STI financed a lot of crap that they were left holding in the bust of the late 80s. I did some work for them estimating values of big properties they were foreclosing. They survived unscathed then but Florida's problems are orders of magnitude worse now. The growth just isn't there to bail them out from this type of mistake, and while I have no clue what their exposure is this time, clearly the commercial real estate bubble was just as big, if not bigger on this go round.
There's been a staggering addition to the inventory of commercial and industrial space in Palm Beach County, and the county's population peaked in 2005. State Road 7 in Wellington is the equivalent of University Drive or Pines Boulevard in Broward back in the 80s. By 1991 a huge percentage of those properties were only worth 25 cents on the dollar of their development costs. The FDIC and RTC ended up with many, if not most of them. Most of the work I did between 1989 and 1993 involved appraising distressed property for the banks, the FDIC, and the RTC. I suspect that the same thing lies ahead for the next 4-5 years for my friends still in the business.
Most of the biggest losers at that time were banks from outside the region, and a few local thrifts, in particular Sunrise Savings. One of the biggest offenders was the Bank of New England (BONE) which ultimately was shut down by the FDIC. Sun was in the mix, but their local knowledge helped them. Generally the local commercial banks were a lot more savvy. They made their share of mistakes but they were far from the worst offenders.
Of course, none of that matters. From a technical perspective the only thing that matters is the 75 level. As long as that's intact, STI will be ok. If you're talking about shorting it, I'd watch the 85 level where it should run into resistance. Could be interesting for a trade if it rolls over there or lower.
Outside of BONE, the dumbest fornicaters in the last debacle were the Ohio banks. They seem not to have learned. National City (NCC) bought Palm Beach County's Fidelity Federal after the market had already rolled over. National City is the dumbest bunch of fornicateers I have ever had the misfortune of dealing with in my life. You want to see a crap chart, take a look at that one. Trust me, they are morons.