Help - Search - Member List - Calendar
Full Version: IDS World Markets Fri 30th November 07
Stool Pigeons Wire Message Board > Stock Market Message Board > Intraday Stool- Stock Market Short Term Trading
Pages: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
aussiebear
user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices


aussiebear
user posted image


Up open but then a selloff. All Ords having probs making up its mind. Currently the index is +0.1% with sectors mixed. Materials is in the lead at a modest +0.6% followed by Consumer Staples +0.5%. IT is down the most, -1%.

The big miners looking ok: BHP +1.2% and RIO +1.9%. Golds not happy: Newcrest -1.9%, Newmont -1% and Lihir -1.6%.

Oils stable: Woodside +0.8%, Santos +1.2% and Caltex -0.2%.


aussiebear
One-Month Libor Soars as Banks Seek Year-End Funding

Nov. 29 (Bloomberg) -- The cost of borrowing in euros for a month rose by a record and loans in dollars climbed the most in more than a decade as banks sought funds to cover their commitments through to the start of 2008 amid a credit squeeze.

The London interbank offered rate that banks charge each other for euro loans due after the end of the year jumped 64 basis points to 4.81 percent, the highest since May 2001, the British Bankers' Association said. The rate for dollars jumped 40 basis points to 5.23 percent, the highest since Sept. 18, when the Federal Reserve cut the target rate for overnight loans for the first time in 4 1/2 years.

Soaring bank lending rates reflect growing concern about the strength of financial institutions after more than $60 billion of writedowns this year linked to U.S. subprime-mortgage defaults. Losses may rise to $300 billion, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

``The increases we've seen in borrowing costs cannot be simply explained away by year-end pressures; this is a full-on credit crisis,'' said Stuart Thomson, who helps oversee $46 billion in bonds at Resolution Investment Management Ltd. in Glasgow, Scotland. ``There's no end in sight either. It's a really unpleasant picture.''


cwd
Some interesting observations on the E-trade portfolio from Karl Denninger rolleyes.gif

E*Trade gets a Guido loan and marks to market their entire ABS paper - at a SEVENTY PERCENT DISCOUNT!

I don't think anyone is (yet) understanding the impact of this.

Most of E*Trade's portfolio was HELOCs; there were few purchase-money firsts in there.

Let's do a bit of math, ok? You know, the stuff they teach you in FOURTH GRADE - math that appears to be totally beyond the capabilities of the equity "cheerleaders" at CNBS!

In the last four years approximately $6.5 trillion has been MEW'd out and spent on plasma TVs, exotic vacations and other sorts of drivel. IT IS GONE; it did not go into something of value - it was CONSUMED.

Let's use a conservative assumption that 1/3rd - 33% - came from HELOCs, rather than cash-out purchase mortgages or refinances of existing mortgage paper. Probably reasonable.

E*Trade's paper is almost all comprised of this HELOC paper, essentially all of it written in the last three years, and most of it was written to people with significant assets; probably half to their brokerage customers.

That is, most of these HELOCs were written to allegedly "good" credit risks.

Now let's apply some conservative valuation discounts, given that E*Trade just marked the entire thing to market at 30% of face value.

$6.5 trillion X 33% = $2.14 trillion in HELOC paper.
30% of original value = a $1.5 trillion dollar DIRECT LOSS on HELOC paper ALONE.
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/
aussiebear
user posted image


Basically back to a resistance area on the daily chart. All Ords closed +1.3% with several sectors seeing a decent pop. Materials kept the lead, +2.4% followed by Consumer Staples +2.1% and Energy +2%. IT, Property Trusts and Telecomms had minor losses.

Strong moves on the big miners: BHP +2.3%, RIO +4.3%. Golds were a bit iffy: Newcrest and Newmont -0.7%, Lihir +1.3%. Juniors vacillated.

Oils gained strength: Woodside and Santos both +2.1%.

Mostly up in Asia: Nikkers and Honkers +0.6%, Sth Korea +2.1% and Taiwan +1.7%. China was an exception, -2.1%.


Over to UK/Europe:

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=europe



EZ_Money
Don't know you, nymphcaster, nor the details of your situation, but the language of the last paragraph of your last post indicates a bit of disagreement between you and your broker.

If you are working with invested funds that you cannot afford to lose, I would urge you to educate yourself so that you may feel confident in attempting to decide how and where to deploy your capital.

Get more than one opinion from multiple brokers if you must rely on their judgement. Each broker will likely have a different take on your situation, so you will have to listen carefully and pick and choose the concepts that will make sense to you.

I've never met Doc, but having read his numerous analysis and WSE reports, I judge him as a straight shooter without an agenda... and you can keep up with current events and pick up lot's of good ideas and info on the Capital Stool boards from the many fine folks here.

One thing I would suggest (in these crazy times) is not to keep all your eggs in one basket. Depending on the amount of investment funds you are working with, you might consider splitting it up between two or three brokerage companies and dividing your ready cash into several different banks, so that if there is a problem, you're not wiped out.

Using Treasury Direct is a safe, convenient way to park your free cash into very short term Treasury paper for safe keeping, and you can do this from your home.

Your broker is probably an honest, competent fellow, but, in my opinion, and with certain exceptions, it's risky to depend on a single someone handling the entirety of your funds.

Just my 2 cents... don't mean to sound preachy.
elh
QUOTE(EZ_Money @ Nov 29 2007, 11:55 PM)
Using Treasury Direct is a safe, convenient way to park your free cash into very short term Treasury paper for safe keeping, and you can do this from your home.



I think Ben is about to shut off this option soon. If you think 3% yield on doolar bills is a fair return....
alceringa
Who let the monkey out?

Sudaca
Bonarium Continuum. Short covering continues today. On Monday, Paulson may unveil a plan that kicks back some mortgage resets to stem foreclosures.... maybe that's good for a another pop as well. I'd be looking to sell my CFC calls into this bounce (up 10% in pre-market), maybe half today, and half on monday.
DrStool
QUOTE(Slappy @ Nov 29 2007, 11:51 PM)
Well, I guess gold shtunking will be going out of style for the new year....

QUOTE

Short gold in '08, Goldman says

ANGELA BARNES

Globe and Mail Update

November 29, 2007 at 3:03 PM EST

Gold bugs have mostly had it all their own way this year, but that won't be the case next year, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. believes. In fact, the big brokerage firm recommends in its top 10 trades list for 2008 that investors short gold next year.

Goldman had recommended investors go long gold in its top 10 trades list for 2006 and bullion went from around $500 (U.S.) an ounce to $650 at the end of that year. Bullion has continued to climb since. This year it rose from $636 at the beginning of the year to as high as $845 on Nov. 7 and is currently changing hands at aound $795 on the London Metal Exchange.

But the 2008 top trades list, drawn up by Goldman's global markets team, suggests investors short gold priced in U.S. dollars in order to capitalize on a gradual relaxation of credit concerns in the financial sector over the coming months and as an avenue to benefit from the prospect of the U.S. dollar stabilizing.

.....

Goldman said it and I saw it on the web....




rolleyes.gif

ph34r.gif


EDIT: Upon further reading I found the same sentiment expressed on WSEPro from this morning. See it here, or over there in the left column. . Sorry to be repetitive.

Sorry to be repetitive.
*



Unfortunately in this case, I have to side with Goldman, and not Mr. Ducalion. It's not a done deal yet, but I'd be very very cautious. I have been out of all gold stock longs in the WSE Pro Chart picks for several weeks now. I pay no attention to the funny mentals of course. If the chart completes a top pattern and breaks it, you know what to do.

Subscribe to the Wall Street Examiner Professional Edition Precious Metals Daily, just $39 quarterly. Try it risk free for 30 days!

Get this indispensable daily analysis and support the Stool!
DrStool
Good Morning!

Welcome to Intraday Stool! Thanks to aussiebear for her daily opening!

You can join the discussion by registering (PG rated user names only, please) and posting here as well.

Registration is easy. Just click the Register link above, enter your email address (which you have the option to keep confidential), and enter a user name. To keep out spammers and scammers, I'll send you an email with a few Monty Python type questions. Just reply with your answers, and I'll approve your registration as soon as I receive your reply.

If you have questions about how to register and post, use the Help link in the menu bar at the top of the page.

If you know others who might be interested in joining us, use the email to a friend link above the thread.

Many tanks for joining us!

Doc


Try the Professional Edition risk free for thirty days. If, within that time you don't find the information helpful, I'll give you a full refund. It's that simple!Click here for more information.

Subscribe to the Wall Street Examiner Professional Edition Precious Metals Daily, just $39 quarterly. Try it risk free for 30 days!

Get this indispensable daily analysis and support the Stool!

user posted image
Slappy
I'm making another go at reloading SKF this morning. It's trading below 92 in the PMS ( that'd be Pre-Market Session ) and it looks like 91 is probably some technical shport.

[attachmentid=93147]


Lemur
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Nov 30 2007, 01:10 PM)
Bonarium Continuum.  Short covering continues today.  On Monday, Paulson may unveil a plan that kicks back some mortgage resets to stem  foreclosures....  maybe that's good for a another pop as well.  I'd be looking to sell my CFC calls into this bounce (up 10% in pre-market), maybe half today,  and half on monday.
*




Looks like they are really going to goose the hommies today. Let them. I have a big cushion on my positions and I will add to them.
Slappy
QUOTE(Slappy @ Nov 30 2007, 08:33 AM)
I'm making another go at reloading SKF this morning.  It's trading below 92 in the PMS ( that'd be Pre-Market Session ) and it looks like 91 is probably some technical shport.

[attachmentid=93147]
*



Never mind that 91. SKF ( ultrashort financials ) is trading at 88 and change in the PMS.

Sudaca
Holy crap. CFC now up 24% in the time it took me to drive to work.
DrStool
3 day cycle projections

qqqq 52.25
spy 149.50
dia 134.85
DrStool
xhb completing reverse head and shoulders going back to 11/20 if this pop sticks.
cwd
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Nov 30 2007, 08:10 AM)
Bonarium Continuum.  Short covering continues today.  On Monday, Paulson may unveil a plan that kicks back some mortgage resets to stem  foreclosures....  maybe that's good for a another pop as well.  I'd be looking to sell my CFC calls into this bounce (up 10% in pre-market), maybe half today,  and half on monday.
*




Good call, I covered my putz yesterday for a .20 loss dry.gif
DrStool
dow resistance trendlines and levels 13435-13455. above that is clear to 13545
DrStool
spx resistance lines 1484.50-1491.50
cwd
Bob Pissonme is so excited, Helo Ben is goona take care of things. dry.gif
Drano
Doc, you really mean 14? or 13? on Dow
DrStool
13. sorry again.
Sudaca
Out of CFC. I'll take the money and run.
K Wave Rider
Target zone area achieved....now let's see if they can roll this over today.....if not, bull may start to regain the upper hand.....
DrStool
5h cycle projections

13
520

1489-98
4shzl
Out of FNM @ 37. Less than a doolar a share haircut. cool.gif

K Wave Rider
Loonie tagged par for the 3rd time...triple bottom perhaps...or will she bust thru?

Should be a decent sized move coming either way...pretty wedged here...
Brick Stoolhouse
QUOTE(DrStool @ Nov 30 2007, 08:17 AM)
QUOTE(Slappy @ Nov 29 2007, 11:51 PM)
Well, I guess gold shtunking will be going out of style for the new year....

QUOTE

Short gold in '08, Goldman says

ANGELA BARNES

Globe and Mail Update

November 29, 2007 at 3:03 PM EST

Gold bugs have mostly had it all their own way this year, but that won't be the case next year, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. believes. In fact, the big brokerage firm recommends in its top 10 trades list for 2008 that investors short gold next year.

Goldman had recommended investors go long gold in its top 10 trades list for 2006 and bullion went from around $500 (U.S.) an ounce to $650 at the end of that year. Bullion has continued to climb since. This year it rose from $636 at the beginning of the year to as high as $845 on Nov. 7 and is currently changing hands at aound $795 on the London Metal Exchange.

But the 2008 top trades list, drawn up by Goldman's global markets team, suggests investors short gold priced in U.S. dollars in order to capitalize on a gradual relaxation of credit concerns in the financial sector over the coming months and as an avenue to benefit from the prospect of the U.S. dollar stabilizing.

.....

Goldman said it and I saw it on the web....




rolleyes.gif

ph34r.gif


EDIT: Upon further reading I found the same sentiment expressed on WSEPro from this morning. See it here, or over there in the left column. . Sorry to be repetitive.

Sorry to be repetitive.
*



Unfortunately in this case, I have to side with Goldman, and not Mr. Ducalion. It's not a done deal yet, but I'd be very very cautious. I have been out of all gold stock longs in the WSE Pro Chart picks for several weeks now. I pay no attention to the funny mentals of course. If the chart completes a top pattern and breaks it, you know what to do.

Subscribe to the Wall Street Examiner Professional Edition Precious Metals Daily, just $39 quarterly. Try it risk free for 30 days!

Get this indispensable daily analysis and support the Stool!
*



Just out of curiosity whens the last time Goldman said to short anything in their beginning of the year outlook. I'll take my chances that these guys are wrong and stay long gold and gold schlocks.Gold to $1000.....minimum.
K Wave Rider
Pound still riding the line...should be big move coming real soon here..
potatohead

DJ Fed Accepts $6.5 Bln In 3-Day RPs

Type of transaction: 3-Day RPs
Total accepted: $6.5 Bln
Total submitted: $34.1 Bln

Agency Collateral Operation
Total accepted: None
Total submitted: $12.8 Bln
Stop-Out Rate: N/A
Weighted Average: N/A
High-rate submitted: 4.65%
Low-rate submitted: 4.3%

Treasury Collateral Operation
Total accepted: $6.5 Bln
Total submitted: $12.8 Bln
Stop-Out Rate: 3.3%
Weighted Average: 3.39%
High-rate submitted: 3.5%
Low-rate submitted: 3%

Mortgage-Backed Collateral Operations
Total accepted: None
Total submitted: $8.5 Bln
Stop-Out Rate: N/A
Weighted Average: N/A
High-rate submitted: 4.75%
Low-rate submitted: 4.5%

(Data was provided by the New York Federal Reserve Bank).

patents
QUOTE(K Wave Rider @ Nov 30 2007, 09:37 AM)
Target zone area achieved....now let's see if they can roll this over today.....if not, bull may start to regain the upper hand.....
*


I was thinking last night that just about every time you say that the "bears" have to do something or it will be bullish that I should buy.

Your calls are correct, but it seems that there is a snowball's chance that the bears will take control for more than the briefest period of time without some sort of financial calamity.

So, until there is a major news item, I am going to go long whenever you point out the crucial points in the market.

But it would be nice it they closed the opening gap.
K Wave Rider
Crude below 90 and gold pulling away from 800..

If the currencies join in....LOB
DrStool
qqqq 5 hr and 3 day cycle indicators on cusp of sell signals
K Wave Rider
QUOTE(patents @ Nov 30 2007, 08:44 AM)
QUOTE(K Wave Rider @ Nov 30 2007, 09:37 AM)
Target zone area achieved....now let's see if they can roll this over today.....if not, bull may start to regain the upper hand.....
*


I was thinking last night that just about every time you say that the "bears" have to do something or it will be bullish that I should buy.

Your calls are correct, but it seems that there is a snowball's chance that the bears will take control for more than the briefest period of time without some sort of financial calamity.

So, until there is a major news item, I am going to go long whenever you point out the crucial points in the market.

But it would be nice it they closed the opening gap.
*


Guess you better load up on some British Pounds then... laugh.gif
DrStool
dow low end 5h cycle projection pulls back to 13475.
Jimi
QUOTE(4shzl @ Nov 30 2007, 09:41 AM)
Out of FNM @ 37.  Less than a doolar a share haircut.  cool.gif
*


Now, go take a long hot shower....

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
DrStool
spx low end 5 hr cycle projection pulls back to 1485.
Slappy
QUOTE(Brick Stoolhouse @ Nov 30 2007, 09:42 AM)
QUOTE(DrStool @ Nov 30 2007, 08:17 AM)
QUOTE(Slappy @ Nov 29 2007, 11:51 PM)
Well, I guess gold shtunking will be going out of style for the new year....

QUOTE

Short gold in '08, Goldman says

ANGELA BARNES

Globe and Mail Update

November 29, 2007 at 3:03 PM EST

Gold bugs have mostly had it all their own way this year, but that won't be the case next year, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. believes. In fact, the big brokerage firm recommends in its top 10 trades list for 2008 that investors short gold next year.

Goldman had recommended investors go long gold in its top 10 trades list for 2006 and bullion went from around $500 (U.S.) an ounce to $650 at the end of that year. Bullion has continued to climb since. This year it rose from $636 at the beginning of the year to as high as $845 on Nov. 7 and is currently changing hands at aound $795 on the London Metal Exchange.

But the 2008 top trades list, drawn up by Goldman's global markets team, suggests investors short gold priced in U.S. dollars in order to capitalize on a gradual relaxation of credit concerns in the financial sector over the coming months and as an avenue to benefit from the prospect of the U.S. dollar stabilizing.

.....

Goldman said it and I saw it on the web....




rolleyes.gif

ph34r.gif


EDIT: Upon further reading I found the same sentiment expressed on WSEPro from this morning. See it here, or over there in the left column. . Sorry to be repetitive.

Sorry to be repetitive.
*



Unfortunately in this case, I have to side with Goldman, and not Mr. Ducalion. It's not a done deal yet, but I'd be very very cautious. I have been out of all gold stock longs in the WSE Pro Chart picks for several weeks now. I pay no attention to the funny mentals of course. If the chart completes a top pattern and breaks it, you know what to do.

Subscribe to the Wall Street Examiner Professional Edition Precious Metals Daily, just $39 quarterly. Try it risk free for 30 days!

Get this indispensable daily analysis and support the Stool!
*



Just out of curiosity whens the last time Goldman said to short anything in their beginning of the year outlook. I'll take my chances that these guys are wrong and stay long gold and gold schlocks.Gold to $1000.....minimum.
*




You and me both. I was struck by the sentence ..

Goldman had recommended investors go long gold in its top 10 trades list for 2006 and bullion went from around $500 (U.S.) an ounce to $650 at the end of that year.

that they stuck in there. I should check, but as I recall Goldman called long just before the May 2006 gold massacre when gold was hanging around $700. The use of the 2006 range of 500 to 650 is deceptively applied, me thinks.

DrStool
high end projection looks 1490. We may be done here.
dogsie
Some weakness showing up in key stocks but a/d still climbing
DrStool
have to be careful though. upper range of dow projection still around 13530. Need more of a pullback here to invalidate that.
I_Am_Madness
I got stopped out of all my ES short last night at 1478 for an a$$ pounding.
Reshorted at 1491.25 this morning... smile.gif
DrStool
spx 5 day cycle projection range 1485-1504.
DrStool
dow 5 day cycle projection range 13450-13570
dogsie
QUOTE(DrStool @ Nov 30 2007, 09:50 AM)
spx 5 day cycle projection range 1485-1504.
*


That right? 19 pt range
Jimi
QUOTE(DrStool @ Nov 30 2007, 09:49 AM)
have to be careful though. upper range of dow projection still around 14530. Need more of a pullback here to invalidate that.
*


Ok, let's all say it together....

"Thirrrrteeeeeen!"

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
DrStool
qqqq returns to a trendline at 52 it broke on the way up. next support would be 3 day cycle MA 51.85.
DrStool
looks like the resistance clusters on spx and dow got bent but not broke.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2008 Invision Power Services, Inc.