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DrStool
Soros talked about the rally built on the false premise. Could this be one of those times.

The least popular option in yesterday's poll turned out to be the best choice for trading tactics.
Sudaca
Doc, I would add "All of the above" as an option.
I_Am_Madness
Market back in bull market mode.
Closed above the 50 and 200 dma today.
This week, a lot of momo stocks broke out into new highs.
I_Am_Madness
Credit to Bondtrader for buying when everything looks bleak 2 weeks back.
DrStool
You know what I am excited about. In 8 days, I'll be headed up north to our home in Quebec to freeze our asses off for the holidays.

But I'm excited because these little folks will be there waiting for us.

Bungster
Let me repost the link to a fantastic article about the mortgage stuff from a Kali broker.....

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/greenberg/200...rom-an-insider/

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Sudaca
Yep, stock charts are bullish right now, no question about that. Gonna ride it till I fall off.
Phil Late Show
QUOTE(I_Am_Madness @ Dec 6 2007, 04:18 PM)
Credit to Bondtrader for buying when everything looks bleak 2 weeks back.
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I'd give more credit if he'd have explained why.
Jimi
If you're bored, you can review my caustic interpretation of Bush's speech today:
http://debtpocalypse.blogspot.com/
Sudaca
I guess Paulson & Co. know that this plan will not fix the fundamental problem. So I guess the plan is really all about making up the inevitable losses with stock gains.
DrStool
That's my grandson Nicolas on the left, and granddaughter Lea-Rose (pronounced leiah rose - be sure to roll the "r" laugh.gif) on the right. For those of you who were not around last summer, they are first cousins.
I_Am_Madness
QUOTE(Phil Late Show @ Dec 6 2007, 04:22 PM)
QUOTE(I_Am_Madness @ Dec 6 2007, 04:18 PM)
Credit to Bondtrader for buying when everything looks bleak 2 weeks back.
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I'd give more credit if he'd have explained why.
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I believe he was merely playing the support line.
If you think about it...did it matter if you bought at 1420 or 1430?
mdporter
If the economy is so good, then why is this happening?

CFO.com | US
December 5, 2007
The weakening American economy is beginning to take its toll on corporate employees where it hurts the most: their salaries and savings.

The latest Duke University/CFO Magazine Global Business Outlook Survey, which polls 573 finance chiefs in the U.S. and 1,275 globally, finds that year-end employee bonuses will fall by 10 percent this year compared to 2006. That decline could be especially painful at a time when more employees are dipping into their retirement accounts in order to pay bills.

The survey finds that nearly 20 percent of companies have seen increased hardship withdrawals from 401(k) accounts, often to cover mortgage payments or to avoid personal bankruptcy.

"In the last four or five months we have seen an absolute onslaught of people trying to do hardship withdrawals and loans out of 401(k)s," Mark Anderson, CFO of Granite City Electric, told CFO magazine in October. "What has happened with housing and the economy has really blown up for people at the lower end of the spectrum."


Source

destruction of capital

raiding your retirement funds to pay for a home that is falling in value is a classic desperation move. As the home falls more, the owner's capital is being destroyed.
mdporter
QUOTE(Phil Late Show @ Dec 6 2007, 02:22 PM)
QUOTE(I_Am_Madness @ Dec 6 2007, 04:18 PM)
Credit to Bondtrader for buying when everything looks bleak 2 weeks back.
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I'd give more credit if he'd have explained why.
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he posted a chart that backed up his position
Sudaca
QUOTE(Jimi @ Dec 6 2007, 04:23 PM)
If you're bored, you can review my caustic interpretation of Bush's speech today:
http://debtpocalypse.blogspot.com/
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"Second, in August, I asked Secretaries Paulson and Jackson to work with lenders and loan servicers and mortgage counselors and investors and lions and tigers and bears "

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mdporter
What will paulson do when this chart blows up?

DrStool
For those of you who were not around last summer, that's my grandson Nicolas on the left, and granddaughter Lea-Rose (pronounced leiah rose - be sure to roll the "r" laugh.gif) on the right. They are first cousins born 6 weeks apart.
Drano
QUOTE(DrStool @ Dec 6 2007, 04:25 PM)
That's my grandson Nicolas on the left, and granddaughter Lea-Rose (pronounced leiah rose - be sure to roll the "r" laugh.gif) on the right.  For those of you who were not around last summer, they are first cousins.
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Good thing they're not living in Arkansas, or they'd be betrothed.
Bungster
QUOTE(mdporter @ Dec 6 2007, 04:32 PM)
What will paulson do when this chart blows up?
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Although human cloning is forbidden...Paulson will begin cloning this tree and handing it out to all hoe-moaners....

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Bungster
QUOTE(Drano @ Dec 6 2007, 04:37 PM)
QUOTE(DrStool @ Dec 6 2007, 04:25 PM)
That's my grandson Nicolas on the left, and granddaughter Lea-Rose (pronounced leiah rose - be sure to roll the "r" laugh.gif) on the right.  For those of you who were not around last summer, they are first cousins.
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Good thing they're not living in Arkansas, or they'd be betrothed.
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laugh.gif laugh.gif You beat me to it!
guyb
QUOTE(DrStool @ Dec 6 2007, 04:36 PM)
For those of you who were not around last summer, that's my grandson Nicolas on the left, and granddaughter Lea-Rose (pronounced leiah rose - be sure to roll the "r" laugh.gif) on the right.  They are first cousins born 6 weeks apart.
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Hey Congrats DrS. How old are they?

What did you get them from Goodwill this morning? laugh.gif laugh.gif
Drano
QUOTE(guyb @ Dec 6 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(DrStool @ Dec 6 2007, 04:36 PM)
For those of you who were not around last summer, that's my grandson Nicolas on the left, and granddaughter Lea-Rose (pronounced leiah rose - be sure to roll the "r" laugh.gif) on the right.  They are first cousins born 6 weeks apart.
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Hey Congrats DrS. How old are they?

What did you get them from Goodwill this morning? laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Hey, he got them NEW stuff from the Dollar Store ! ! ! !
Sudaca
Incredible. As stocks fly, swap spreads were unchanged and ABX indexes actually fell today.
Drano
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Dec 6 2007, 04:47 PM)
Incredible.  As stocks fly, swap spreads were unchanged and ABX indexes actually fell today.
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So if pigs are flying, what kind of animal are the spreads and ABX?
I_Am_Madness
Unemployment report tomorrow.
Talk'n about lining up the stars here for the bulls.
If it sucks, the market should rally because this will confirm the .50 cut.
If it's good, the market will rocket up because the credit problem is not spilling over to the rest of the economy.
MrHanky
i picked a nice bottom on evertything i touched this week.but hidered myself with my covered call strategy.

i hope this lasts,at least on my wynn position.it popped almost 3 bucks at the end of the day.if it sees 130 anytime soon i might bail,covered calls or not.

i never seem to hold my covered call plays till expiration,which is probably stupid in most cases.i wish i had patience......bad trait for a trader



i almost went short the other day.......thought better of it with help from doc on wse pro......thanks doc,it has been a help lately.
DrStool
QUOTE(guyb @ Dec 6 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE(DrStool @ Dec 6 2007, 04:36 PM)
For those of you who were not around last summer, that's my grandson Nicolas on the left, and granddaughter Lea-Rose (pronounced leiah rose - be sure to roll the "r" laugh.gif) on the right.  They are first cousins born 6 weeks apart.
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Hey Congrats DrS. How old are they?

What did you get them from Goodwill this morning? laugh.gif laugh.gif
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4 months and 3 months.
mdporter
First came housing loans and the subprime-mortgage crisis.

Now, signs of stress are creeping into another key consumer area: auto loans.

Delinquencies in the auto-loan market are ticking up to their highest level in several years. Lenders are tightening terms in some cases, and interest rates have risen from the rock-bottom levels of a few years ago. About $575 billion in loans for new and used cars are made annually, according to the National Automotive Finance Association.

About 4.5% of auto loans made in 2006 to top-rated borrowers were at least 30 days delinquent as of the end of September, up from 2.9% the previous month, according to a Lehman Brothers survey of companies servicing these loans. That is the biggest one-month jump in at least eight years. Lehman says 12% of subprime borrowers, who have poorer credit records, were delinquent on their 2006 auto loans as of September. That is the highest level since 2002 and up from 11.1% the previous month.

"The numbers will get worse for auto loans," says Dan Castro of GSC Group, a New York firm that runs debt-related investment funds. "We're starting to see signs of rising losses, and delinquencies are creeping up."


Don't fear the repo man!
Sudaca
QUOTE(Drano @ Dec 6 2007, 04:49 PM)
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Dec 6 2007, 04:47 PM)
Incredible.  As stocks fly, swap spreads were unchanged and ABX indexes actually fell today.
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So if pigs are flying, what kind of animal are the spreads and ABX?
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Drano
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Dec 6 2007, 05:07 PM)
QUOTE(Drano @ Dec 6 2007, 04:49 PM)
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Dec 6 2007, 04:47 PM)
Incredible.  As stocks fly, swap spreads were unchanged and ABX indexes actually fell today.
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So if pigs are flying, what kind of animal are the spreads and ABX?
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laugh.gif I wanted to see what kind of weird thing you'd come up with, but you outdid yourself.

Although I do have a certain fondness for this little masterpiece of yours:


Drano
And then there's always


Brisbane Bear
this is like some bad movie script...National Lampoons Sub Prime adventure.

Chevy Chase can play President Bush.

Bush sells homeowners dummy number

US homeowners who could face crippling mortgage payments will have a hard time getting help if they call a telephone number President George Bush recommended today - he gave them the wrong number.

"I have a message for every homeowner worried about rising mortgage payments," Mr Bush said. "The best you can do for your family is to call 1-800-995-HOPE."

http://business.theage.com.au/bush-sells-h...71207-1fjv.html
Bungster
QUOTE(Drano @ Dec 6 2007, 04:49 PM)
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Dec 6 2007, 04:47 PM)
Incredible.  As stocks fly, swap spreads were unchanged and ABX indexes actually fell today.
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So if pigs are flying, what kind of animal are the spreads and ABX?
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How about this guy.....

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I_Am_Madness
Should pop along with the market after rate cut.
Maybe buy some Dec 105 calls?
Brisbane Bear
it is amazing how the most ardent, so called capitalists are the biggest welfare recipients.

Here in OZ we are 18yrs into the biggest boom this country has seen and the car industry still has their hands out for more money.

God help us when the boom turns to bust.

Dear Kev, please fix my car


KEVIN Rudd had not even been officially sworn in as Prime Minister before the car industry fired off a letter asking the Government for a lifeline.


http://business.theage.com.au/dear-kev-ple...71206-1fg4.html
Sudaca
Any guesses out there as to how long this rally goes on for?
Drano
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Dec 6 2007, 05:37 PM)
Any guesses out there as to how long this rally goes on for?
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Until every last bear is dead.
Jimi
QUOTE(Brisbane Bear @ Dec 6 2007, 05:27 PM)
this is like some bad movie  script...National Lampoons Sub Prime adventure.

Chevy Chase can play President Bush.

Bush sells homeowners dummy number

US homeowners who could face crippling mortgage payments will have a hard time getting help if they call a telephone number President George Bush recommended today - he gave them the wrong number.

"I have a message for every homeowner worried about rising mortgage payments," Mr Bush said. "The best you can do for your family is to call 1-800-995-HOPE."

http://business.theage.com.au/bush-sells-h...71207-1fjv.html
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You have got to be kidding.

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Sudaca
QUOTE(I_Am_Madness @ Dec 6 2007, 05:28 PM)
Should pop along with the market after rate cut.
Maybe buy some Dec 105 calls?
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I'm long Dec $4 calls on this. All I want is a quick pop to $6 before expiration.
Jimi
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Dec 6 2007, 05:37 PM)
Any guesses out there as to how long this rally goes on for?
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I bought March-dated puts today, so I'd say until April.
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Drano
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Dec 6 2007, 05:41 PM)

I'm long Dec $4 calls on this.  All I want is a quick pop to $6 before expiration.


Expiration? You, or it?
Drano
QUOTE(Jimi @ Dec 6 2007, 05:41 PM)
QUOTE(Brisbane Bear @ Dec 6 2007, 05:27 PM)
this is like some bad movie  script...National Lampoons Sub Prime adventure.

Chevy Chase can play President Bush.

Bush sells homeowners dummy number

US homeowners who could face crippling mortgage payments will have a hard time getting help if they call a telephone number President George Bush recommended today - he gave them the wrong number.

"I have a message for every homeowner worried about rising mortgage payments," Mr Bush said. "The best you can do for your family is to call 1-800-995-HOPE."

http://business.theage.com.au/bush-sells-h...71207-1fjv.html
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You have got to be kidding.

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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I wonder what number that actually is? It would be hilarious if it were a porno number, or astrological advice, or something like that.
Sudaca
Please tell me that wrong number thing isn't true
Drano
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Dec 6 2007, 05:45 PM)
Please tell me that wrong number thing isn't true
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Okay, it's not true.
but actually it is




Sudaca
I just HAD to call.... "the toll free number you have called is not toll free when dialed from abroad" ...then it just goes dead.
Bungster
QUOTE(Drano @ Dec 6 2007, 05:40 PM)
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Dec 6 2007, 05:37 PM)
Any guesses out there as to how long this rally goes on for?
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Until every last bear is dead.
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No....no....they'll leave a single bear alive.....

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I_Am_Madness
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Dec 6 2007, 05:37 PM)
Any guesses out there as to how long this rally goes on for?
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2 weeks after the fed meeting....
Drano
QUOTE(I_Am_Madness @ Dec 6 2007, 05:54 PM)
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Dec 6 2007, 05:37 PM)
Any guesses out there as to how long this rally goes on for?
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2 weeks after the fed meeting....
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Say, does anything important happen on that date?


I_Am_Madness
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Dec 6 2007, 05:41 PM)
QUOTE(I_Am_Madness @ Dec 6 2007, 05:28 PM)
Should pop along with the market after rate cut.
Maybe buy some Dec 105 calls?
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I'm long Dec $4 calls on this. All I want is a quick pop to $6 before expiration.
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Next week....
Brisbane Bear
something has changed.

Here we are in the midst of a searing rally and we bears are laughing and joking.

In the old days posters like Soup and co. would be suicidal.

Maybe we have mellowed.. tongue.gif tongue.gif
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