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DrStool
The "support line of biblical proportions" broke. Everybody and his brother was poised to sell when that line broke. The bear market is confirmed.
tdultima
everyones still waiting for that dead cat bounce

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elh
I partially caved. I closed *a few* fraudex positions.

Will re-enter if the crash window is confirmed over the next few days.

ChicagoBear
The Dow, SP500, and Nasdaq all took out Aug. and Nov. lows today! Volume was massive.
It's no secret anymore - Bring on the Bear!
elh
QUOTE(tdultima @ Jan 8 2008, 02:04 PM)
everyones still waiting for that dead cat bounce



I think the Coast Guard has been notified to look for missing windsurfers
cwd
Maria just said the market is now in CORRECTION. laugh.gif
elh
QUOTE(ChicagoBear @ Jan 8 2008, 02:07 PM)
The Dow, SP500, and Nasdaq all took out Aug. and Nov. lows today!  Volume was massive.
It's no secret anymore - Bring on the Bear!
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Yeah, but I'm so used to these guys dicking me over.

There's no fun to life if you can't take a quick profit on a smidget position. sad.gif
cwd
QUOTE(tdultima @ Jan 8 2008, 04:04 PM)
everyones still waiting for that dead cat bounce

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WOW tongue.gif
hokahay
http://clearstation.etrade.com/cgi-bin/bbs?post_id=8483814

"What happened to wndy

& Brinker that kept saying how wrong those put buyers were???
What happened to wndys claim that the TRIN said a big bounce was coming???"


Whoops.



Elaine Dickinson: There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?
Jimi
QUOTE(ChicagoBear @ Jan 8 2008, 04:07 PM)
The Dow, SP500, and Nasdaq all took out Aug. and Nov. lows today!  Volume was massive.
It's no secret anymore - Bring on the Bear!
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I'm showing intraday spike lows back in August on all three indices that were lower than today's lows?
Forrest
Hoo-wee. Recently I've gotten knocked out of positions by keeping my stops too tight. With this schizo market tight stops can be a bad thing, as my stopped-out positions were frequently winners by the end of the day. So today with the market about flat I bought QID, set a stop much lower than I normally would. Sure enough, the market went positive, QID got within ONE PENNY of my stop level, and I resigned myself to another loss. Then, then... well, we all know what happened then!

YOWZA!

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Private Skidmark
QUOTE(Jimi @ Jan 8 2008, 04:12 PM)
I'm showing intraday spike lows back in August on all three indices that were lower than today's lows?
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Me too. Not on RUT, though. With NDX it looks like we're 100 points above the needle bottom.
lineup32

The final solution to the Housing slowdown, CEO Fannie

"Finally, Mudd said policy makers must make renewed efforts to reinvigorate the housing market in general, including by tapping into an underused supply of homebuyers that can be found in populations of new American citizens, armed forces personnel, and minorities."

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articl...13-22113573.htm
DrStool
QUOTE(Forrest @ Jan 8 2008, 03:55 PM)
QUOTE(Slappy @ Jan 8 2008, 03:45 PM)

Is there an ultrashort for either the aSSnPee or NADSAQ?
TIA.
QID *is* ultrashort (2x) Nasdaq. RSW is 2x inverse S&P.
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I never heard of RSW. Is it liquid. I think the SDS is the preferred double inverse short on SPX.
DrStool
I just checked. RSW traded 11 thousand total shares today. DO NOT trade that. It is not liquid.

In contrast, SDS traded 17 million
Bungster
Nice day for Da bears.... smile.gif

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cwd
When the market closes on the lows, can Da Boyz gap it up in the morning?
The Asian markets ought to be worth watching tonight? wink.gif
I_Am_Madness
Can anyone post Wndy's patented P/C ration chart.
Thanks! wink.gif
I_Am_Madness
QUOTE(cwd @ Jan 8 2008, 04:25 PM)
When the market closes on the lows, can Da Boyz gap it up in the morning?
The Asian markets ought to be worth watching tonight? wink.gif
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Watching the futures market now and no sign of buyers stepping in yet.
T_Slim
The Canadian Dollar is trading literally like a stock right now. I guess the same can be said about other currencies. When the U.S. fraudexes selloff, so does the loonie. ohmy.gif
Speakeasy
QUOTE(cwd @ Jan 8 2008, 02:25 PM)
When the market closes on the lows, can Da Boyz gap it up in the morning?
The Asian markets ought to be worth watching tonight? wink.gif
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I certainly hope so. Bear market action, I like it. I'm most comfortable trading it. Sell the morning disturbation ramp and buy some nice puts, and cover in the evening or at selling exhaustion points. I sold a bunch of my front month puts today for profit and am looking to buy more time and trade the near batch for the rest of this week. I'll leave opex week for I am madness. laugh.gif
Jetlag
QUOTE(lineup32 @ Jan 8 2008, 04:20 PM)
The final solution to the Housing slowdown, CEO Fannie

"Finally, Mudd said policy makers must make renewed efforts to reinvigorate the housing market in general, including by tapping into an underused supply of homebuyers that can be found in populations of new American citizens, armed forces personnel, and minorities."

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articl...13-22113573.htm
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I think they already did, it was called subprime.

It's increasingly hard (impossible) to feed a ponzi scheme. Geometric growth's a beach.
cwd
QUOTE(Forrest @ Jan 8 2008, 04:13 PM)
Hoo-wee. Recently I've gotten knocked out of positions by keeping my stops too tight. With this schizo market tight stops can be a bad thing, as my stopped-out positions were frequently winners by the end of the day. So today with the market about flat I bought QID, set a stop much lower than I normally would. Sure enough, the market went positive, QID got within ONE PENNY of my stop level, and I resigned myself to another loss. Then, then... well, we all know what happened then!

YOWZA!

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Congratulations biggrin.gif
sarcastro
That's it. I've been restrained enough, and now I'm going to say it- THE TOP IS IN. While adjusting your near-term opinion from time to time is certainly warranted, I'd like to hear from the ex-bulls that showed scorn- and even CONTEMPT for those of us who stuck to our convictions.

And yes, I'm sure there will be a bounce. It may be soon- it may even be violent. But we can now say with about as much certainty as possible, that the most manipulated bull market in history ended in Oct/Nov 2007. I just wonder how long it will take the pseudo/fair-weathered (foul-weather ?) bears to abandon their "up in nominal terms" argument. (cough cough PUPLAVA cough)...
Forrest
QUOTE(DrStool @ Jan 8 2008, 04:24 PM)
I just checked. RSW traded 11 thousand total shares today. DO NOT trade that. It is not liquid. 

In contrast, SDS traded 17 million
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Oops, you're right (again). I was kind of in a hurry when I made the post. I believe RSW is a new ETF, Rydex's version of ProShares SDS?
cwd
ATH in Gold in EUROs biggrin.gif

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Same in Loonies

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T_Slim
As some would say in the dirty south: "this market is thoo dealing . . ." The fed ain't being accommodative. ph34r.gif
ChicagoBear
QUOTE(Jimi @ Jan 8 2008, 04:12 PM)
I'm showing intraday spike lows back in August on all three indices that were lower than today's lows?
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Using daily closing prices, not intraday spreads.
Bungster
QUOTE(Forrest @ Jan 8 2008, 04:47 PM)
Oops, you're right (again). I was kind of in a hurry when I made the post. I believe RSW is a new ETF, Rydex's version of ProShares SDS?
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Rydex is tough to trade...only specific trading times for some of their funds...read the prospectus closely... wink.gif
Bungster
QUOTE(I_Am_Madness @ Jan 8 2008, 04:30 PM)
Can anyone post Wndy's patented P/C ration chart.
Thanks!  wink.gif
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Maybe this is what you mean? unsure.gif

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tdultima
QUOTE(sarcastro @ Jan 8 2008, 02:37 PM)
That's it.  I've been restrained enough, and now I'm going to say it- THE TOP IS IN.  While adjusting your near-term opinion from time to time is certainly warranted, I'd like to hear from the ex-bulls that showed scorn- and even CONTEMPT for those of us who stuck to our convictions.

And yes, I'm sure there will be a bounce.  It may be soon- it may even be violent.  But we can now say with about as much certainty as possible, that the most manipulated bull market in history ended in Oct/Nov 2007.  I just wonder how long it will take the pseudo/fair-weathered (foul-weather ?) bears to abandon their "up in nominal terms" argument.  (cough cough PUPLAVA cough)...
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imo i think we're in an area where the probability of a top increases

i would still have to see a lot more damage than this to confirm a top

although that shouldn't stop anybody from making money on the short side for time being
I_Am_Madness
QUOTE(Bungster @ Jan 8 2008, 04:58 PM)
Maybe this is what you mean?  unsure.gif

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Wondering if the pigmen were the big buyers of PUT over the past 2 months. 5-10% swings aren't cutting it anymore. They're looking for 100-500% intraday. laugh.gif
Brisbane Bear
our new Federal Treasurer believes we can 'absorb' the slowing world growth.

I suppose he is only human and believes what he hears and reads about a 'soft' landing in the US.

Not too many people in OZ consider anything other than the 'rosiest' of scenarios for our economy.

It will be a bloodbath of biblical proportions when it does arrive.People talk about the stength of our 'fundamentals',yet the same thing could have been said about the US thru 03,04,05... wink.gif wink.gif

Swan: we can absorb slowing world economy

Federal Treasurer Wayne Swan says Australia is well placed to absorb a slowing in the world economy and the financial sector has coped well with recent volatility in international markets.

''The good news is that Australia is well placed to absorb a slowing in the world economy which may be caused by a more protracted US slowdown,'' Mr Swan told reporters in Brisbane, following a meeting with the Reserve Bank of Australia, Treasury and the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority.

''The truth is that the fundamentals in the Australian economy are strong.

http://business.theage.com.au/swan-we-can-...80108-1ksl.html
4shzl
QUOTE(Forrest @ Jan 8 2008, 01:47 PM)
Oops, you're right (again). I was kind of in a hurry when I made the post. I believe RSW is a new ETF, Rydex's version of ProShares SDS?
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I got 28 million for SDS, but whatever. What is worth noting is that SDS was up 3% while TWM was up 6%. Rutty is crash mode, and chart looks just hideous. I was hoping for bounce to 745 that would give me an opportunity to add to shorts -- but so, apparently, was everyone else. That's OK, TWM is already my largest single investment position. smile.gif
Bungster
This is not news to anyone watching the market today...... ph34r.gif

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head and shoulders..target anyone?????
Bungster
QUOTE(Bungster @ Jan 8 2008, 05:31 PM)
This is not news to anyone watching the market today...... ph34r.gif

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head and shoulders..target anyone?????
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I think the answer is 11,400 ish
Speakeasy
Sow is at the line. Lots of other indexes crossed it. Some charts.

Sudaca
What a totally, totally, completely awesome start to the year. This is just unprecedented.

The way things are playing out (as expected) is actually kinda scary.

But today I celebrate.

hokahay
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Jan 8 2008, 05:38 PM)
What a totally, totally, completely awesome start to the year.  This is just unprecedented.

The way things are playing out (as expected) is actually kinda scary.

But today I celebrate.
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How come the pic is upside down and you are in NYC. It's just not right.

Notice how they (the "Heads") quit talking about the worst start since 1932. Probably the worst start since 'ever'.
Bungster
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Jan 8 2008, 05:38 PM)
What a totally, totally, completely awesome start to the year.  This is just unprecedented.

The way things are playing out (as expected) is actually kinda scary.

But today I celebrate.
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NDX has been way outside the trend channel for some time......I wonder if we touch the bottom of the channel before we are through??? ph34r.gif

Nasdaq 100 - 1600?

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Reversion to the mean?
I_Am_Madness
Joe-six-pack sits at home with a depreciating dollar, rising energy and food prices, yields in fix income are at the all time lows and now a stock market that is falling apart.

HOLLY CHIT BATMAN! When it rains, chit tends to pour.
Sudaca
Apparently, the financials are are all doing their own post-holiday sale:

"Everything 40% off!" laugh.gif
cwd
QUOTE(Brisbane Bear @ Jan 8 2008, 05:11 PM)
our new Federal Treasurer believes we can 'absorb' the slowing world growth.

I suppose he is only human and believes what he hears and reads about a 'soft' landing in the US.

Not too many people in OZ consider anything other than the 'rosiest' of scenarios for our economy.

It will be a bloodbath of biblical proportions when it does arrive.People talk about the stength of our 'fundamentals',yet the same thing could have been said about the US thru 03,04,05... wink.gif  wink.gif

Swan: we can absorb slowing world economy

Federal Treasurer Wayne Swan says Australia is well placed to absorb a slowing in the world economy and the financial sector has coped well with recent volatility in international markets.

''The good news is that Australia is well placed to absorb a slowing in the world economy which may be caused by a more protracted US slowdown,'' Mr Swan told reporters in Brisbane, following a meeting with the Reserve Bank of Australia, Treasury and the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority.

''The truth is that the fundamentals in the Australian economy are strong.

http://business.theage.com.au/swan-we-can-...80108-1ksl.html
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CNBSers were saying EMs maybe the new safe haven. ohmy.gif We will see. unsure.gif
cwd
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Jan 8 2008, 05:48 PM)
Apparently, the financials are are all doing their own post-holiday sale:

"Everything 40% off!"  laugh.gif
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Suds, how is the night life? biggrin.gif

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Bungster
QUOTE(Bungster @ Jan 8 2008, 05:45 PM)
NDX has been way outside the trend channel for some time......I wonder if we touch the bottom of the channel before we are through???  ph34r.gif

Nasdaq 100 - 1600?

[attachmentid=94445]

Reversion to the mean?
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You know 1600/2240 = .71 or 71% - a 29% "correction" is in the realm of typical for a bear market... wink.gif
DrStool
QUOTE(cwd @ Jan 8 2008, 05:50 PM)
CNBSers were saying EMs maybe the new safe haven. ohmy.gif We will see. unsure.gif
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They're full of crap.
DrStool
New podcast posted on http://radiofreewallstreet.fm, in case you missed it.
hokahay
QUOTE(DrStool @ Jan 8 2008, 05:53 PM)
They're full of crap.
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hahaha, I think that goes without saying!
phatbubble
Doc: without opening the WSE Pro kimono too far...did I remember that a Jan monthly close below this level would have long term cycle implications?
Bungster
QUOTE(phatbubble @ Jan 8 2008, 06:03 PM)
Doc: without opening the WSE Pro kimono too far...did I remember that a Jan monthly close below this level would have long term cycle implications?
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If his shorts are on fire...why wouldn't he open his kimono? rolleyes.gif
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