DrStool
Jan 17 2008, 09:02 PM
There's nothing wrong with the vertical height adjustment.
tdultima
Jan 17 2008, 09:03 PM
gtfo
hokahay
Jan 17 2008, 09:09 PM
QUOTE(DrStool @ Jan 17 2008, 04:02 PM)
There's nothing wrong with the vertical height adjustment.
"The outer Limits".
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http://www.cfhf.net/lyrics/outer.htmIt was a sight to behold on Cap Stool Today.
mdporter
Jan 17 2008, 09:11 PM
NEW YORK (Money) -- A former real estate appraiser for Washington Mutual is suing the bank, claiming she was blacklisted last year for providing a housing market forecast that was too gloomy.
Jeniffer Wertz, who is seeking unspecified damages, says WaMu stopped accepting her appraisals in mid-2007 a month after she reported that her local housing market in California was "declining."
...
In the lawsuit, which was filed a week ago, Wertz says she completed appraisals on two houses in May and then quickly got a call from a WaMu (WM, Fortune 500) sales manager demanding she change her outlook to "stable" so a loan could be approved.
The WaMu sales manager also demanded Wertz change her appraisal process to produce higher prices for the properties she was evaluating, according to Wertz's lawyer Stephen Danz.WAMU maggots being exposed to sunlight
Private Skidmark
Jan 17 2008, 09:12 PM
Anybody know if Bob Brinker ever recanted on his go long the spoozer at 1450 call from a few weeks ago?

It's a long way to the bottom, Bob. Ask Carl.
tdultima
Jan 17 2008, 09:12 PM
i don't know why so many are calling for a ST bottom
i see many sectors just starting to turn down today
I_Am_Madness
Jan 17 2008, 09:13 PM
"Today I am long from 1365 in the March e-mini futures and still working at 1340 stop. I will get out at 4:00 pm New York time if the market is then trading below 1360."
http://carlfutia.blogspot.com/Unreal. A real smart guy.
This guy won't take a 45 point gain last week on 2 days of action, instead he settles for 5 points. Today he gets his a$$ handed to him with an entry at 1365. ES closed at about 1337 meaning he got stopped out when it broke 1340. I've been watching this guy for months and this would be his 4th time over the past 2 months that he got stopped out of his position with a 25 point lost.
Wow!
Sudaca
Jan 17 2008, 09:15 PM
...
beardrech
Jan 17 2008, 09:21 PM
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Jan 17 2008, 04:15 PM)
For those of you studying Marketeeese as a foriegn language repeat after me..
[SIZE=14]HOw now down Dow
beardrech
plesed insert illustration
hokahay
Jan 17 2008, 09:24 PM
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Jan 17 2008, 04:15 PM)
hahahaha
I especially like the original "put it on the altar" part. Two seconds earlier and beer woulda been coming outa my nose!
Merril CDO trader, "Sorry about that Chief! Missed it by that Much!".
"Oh my God! They killed Kenny!" (Stan and Kyle, South Park)
Sudaca
Jan 17 2008, 09:39 PM
Moody's puts MBI on review for possible downgrade
What a colossal joke
I_Am_Madness
Jan 17 2008, 09:43 PM
QUOTE(Sudaca @ Jan 17 2008, 04:39 PM)
Moody's puts MBI on review for possible downgrade
What a colossal joke
I guess they can skip all the other grades and go straight to -zzz
Bungster
Jan 17 2008, 09:43 PM
QUOTE(mdporter @ Jan 17 2008, 04:11 PM)
NEW YORK (Money) -- A former real estate appraiser for Washington Mutual is suing the bank, claiming she was blacklisted last year for providing a housing market forecast that was too gloomy.
Jeniffer Wertz, who is seeking unspecified damages, says WaMu stopped accepting her appraisals in mid-2007 a month after she reported that her local housing market in California was "declining."
...
In the lawsuit, which was filed a week ago, Wertz says she completed appraisals on two houses in May and then quickly got a call from a WaMu (WM, Fortune 500) sales manager demanding she change her outlook to "stable" so a loan could be approved.
The WaMu sales manager also demanded Wertz change her appraisal process to produce higher prices for the properties she was evaluating, according to Wertz's lawyer Stephen Danz.WAMU maggots being exposed to sunlight MD,
Nice...very nice! About time the brokers start getting some real exposure..
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Sudaca
Jan 17 2008, 09:44 PM
* Venezuela, Ecuador & Bolivia to Offer US Treasury Bond Insurance
Sudaca
Jan 17 2008, 09:45 PM
Grand Poopercycle
Jan 17 2008, 09:58 PM
Fwiw, my simplistic EWoof contemplation suggest we could be at/very near
(~ couple days) s-t low-i.e., precursor to min. 5 day, 5%+ rally in major
indexes. Of course, just a couple days could spill a lot more blood. Unless...
Pre-open, opex 50 bp cut tomorrow about 9 am EST?
Might not matter 6 months-or three weeks-from now, stil....
hokahay
Jan 17 2008, 10:09 PM
Crapvision breaking news, "stocks plunge as slaughter continues." Well, at least the "talking heads" sugar coating is coming off a little.
cwd
Jan 17 2008, 10:10 PM
QUOTE(I_Am_Madness @ Jan 17 2008, 04:13 PM)
"Today I am long from 1365 in the March e-mini futures and still working at 1340 stop. I will get out at 4:00 pm New York time if the market is then trading below 1360."
http://carlfutia.blogspot.com/Unreal. A real smart guy.
This guy won't take a 45 point gain last week on 2 days of action, instead he settles for 5 points. Today he gets his a$$ handed to him with an entry at 1365. ES closed at about 1337 meaning he got stopped out when it broke 1340. I've been watching this guy for months and this would be his 4th time over the past 2 months that he got stopped out of his position with a 25 point lost.
Wow!
As Doc says, it is just talk.
Bungster
Jan 17 2008, 10:13 PM
QUOTE(cwd @ Jan 17 2008, 05:10 PM)
As Doc says, it is just talk.

Those Phd's just aren't what they used to be...
Brisbane Bear
Jan 17 2008, 10:22 PM
QUOTE(hokahay @ Jan 17 2008, 10:09 PM)
Crapvision breaking news, "stocks plunge as slaughter continues." Well, at least the "talking heads" sugar coating is coming off a little.
it is funny to watch crapvision or gloomberg during these extended selloffs.
The talking heads don't know what to say(excluding crybaby Cramer).
The ultimate contrarian indicator in OZ was the launch on Jan 2nd of a new business channel.
Pretty '20' something 'boys& girls' ready to give advice about all aspects of trading & investing.
Boy are these kids floundering.
9 down days in a row on the orbs wasn't in the script...
mdporter
Jan 17 2008, 10:23 PM
Countrywide Financial Corp., stuck with tens of billions of dollars in "alternative" mortgages it can't sell, is pushing customers to refinance into traditional loans that can be easily unloaded by the struggling lender.
The home-loan giant seeks to have $12 billion of these exotic loans refinanced into uncontroversial mortgages and has told its sales force to pull out all the stops to get borrowers to go along, internal documents show. Countryfried cannot be saved.Their biggest moneyloser loans in California are all for more than $417,000.
Chumps.
hokahay
Jan 17 2008, 10:24 PM
The dude on Crapvision just used my famous six months or so projection! Somebody should be getting a commission. ( I boosted it too!). haha I think ben did it a couple times today, as well!
cwd
Jan 17 2008, 10:34 PM
QUOTE(mdporter @ Jan 17 2008, 05:23 PM)
Countrywide Financial Corp., stuck with tens of billions of dollars in "alternative" mortgages it can't sell, is pushing customers to refinance into traditional loans that can be easily unloaded by the struggling lender.
The home-loan giant seeks to have $12 billion of these exotic loans refinanced into uncontroversial mortgages and has told its sales force to pull out all the stops to get borrowers to go along, internal documents show. Countryfried cannot be saved.Their biggest moneyloser loans in California are all for more than $417,000.
Chumps.

They were advertising on CNBS today. I wonder how they are going to refinance the properties that are under water. I guess there are plenty of appraisers to give them the valuation they need.
shorty
Jan 17 2008, 10:34 PM
IBM to the rescue after-hours
hokahay
Jan 17 2008, 10:37 PM
QUOTE(shorty @ Jan 17 2008, 05:34 PM)
IBM to the rescue after-hours Don't you think they shot the wad wid the "pre-announce". They tried to jam with a GE thing at the close too.......
shorty
Jan 17 2008, 10:39 PM
QUOTE(hokahay @ Jan 17 2008, 03:37 PM)
Don't you think they shot the wad wid the "pre-announce". They tried to jam with a GE thing at the close too.......
I had thought so
butt they're goosin' it hard after-hours
kiwibear
Jan 17 2008, 10:39 PM
A small but momentous occasion for me today.
For the first time since I developed an interest in this stuff in early 2001, I have had a nibble at an S&P CALL option. (2 small Feb 08 1400 calls).
Not long term - my money is almost all holding Dec 09 1450 puts which are making me increasingly happy, but surely the playaz will engineer some sort of bounce soon??
Then again with everyone expecting it, might Mr Market surprise all by relentlessly heading South? Fundamentals suggest to me that would be appropriate untill about S&P 850 or so.
May we live in intersting times indeed.
shorty
Jan 17 2008, 10:41 PM
another buckoff in crude today
I think GW did a wink-wink nod-nod with some Arabs on his visit
let it drift down for awhile
hokahay
Jan 17 2008, 10:44 PM
QUOTE(shorty @ Jan 17 2008, 05:39 PM)
I had thought so
butt they're goosin' it hard after-hours
I think it was the "doc" that said today that the pigmen jam isn't working like it used to. Something about "bleeding in da streets"!
Don't get me wrong I'm a "shorty" fan from waaaaaay back.
Brisbane Bear
Jan 17 2008, 10:46 PM
WOW.
SPI Futures 5,500.00 -292
shorty
Jan 17 2008, 10:48 PM
QUOTE(hokahay @ Jan 17 2008, 03:44 PM)
I think it was the "doc" that said today that the pigmen jam isn't working like it used to. Something about "bleeding in da streets"!
Don't get me wrong I'm a "shorty" fan from waaaaaay back.
we'll see how IBM opens in the day session tomorrow
it's a big factor, obviously a component of both S&P500 and Dow30
it's
+5.30 in night session so far
Brisbane Bear
Jan 17 2008, 10:52 PM
IBM results are from the previous 3 months.
I think everyone is suddenly looking to the next 3 months and realizing we are about to go cliff diving.
I was tempted to take a dong on the SPI but they took out all the calls .
The lowest one available was 5600.
I was gunna dong at 6200,then 6100,the 6000,then 5900,then 5800,then 5700,then I thought eff this...
Charmin
Jan 17 2008, 10:52 PM
QUOTE(shorty @ Jan 17 2008, 05:41 PM)
another buckoff in crude today
I think GW did a wink-wink nod-nod with some Arabs on his visit
let it drift down for awhile
What's left? Just politely ask Paulson to underweight the commodity longs and that'll do the trick.
Profunds SMN basic materials short best performer today. Meanwhile lets all get in our DUGout canoes and try to paddle upstream.
hokahay
Jan 17 2008, 10:56 PM
QUOTE(shorty @ Jan 17 2008, 05:48 PM)
we'll see how IBM opens in the day session tomorrow
it's a big factor, obviously a component of both S&P500 and Dow30
it's
+5.30 in night session so far
Well, It's a headline for sure. Might get a pop tomorrow AM. Longer term, the give the people "funny money" to simulate the economy is a sure bust I think. Most will just pay
offf "debt". Like that will help. the politicos are just trying to find a dry spot to stand on.
Brisbane Bear
Jan 17 2008, 11:01 PM
we might be seeing some capitulation in OZ.
My online broker has had a slight malfunction..
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4shzl
Jan 17 2008, 11:02 PM
When this kind of commentary shows up in the MSM, you have to be prepared for a bounce:
QUOTE
Today’s market conjures nothing more than the image of a man retching in an alleyway, and there really can’t be too many other ways to characterize the session when the strongest performer among major indexes falls by 2%. The culprits are long but distinguished, including but not limited to market-related concerns (potential downgrades of bond insurers Ambac and MBIA), technical considerations (the Russell 2000 is now officially in a bear market, having lost nearly 21% of its value since it peaked in 2007) and the economic outlook (the Philadelphia Fed survey fell to a level consistent with a recession, and housing starts were terrible, again). “We’ve reached what I call the vomit stage,” says Michael Metz, chief investment strategist at Oppenheimer & Co.
WSJ
Brisbane Bear
Jan 17 2008, 11:07 PM
Vomit stage??
He needs to be more specific.
Food or blood.
Food is nothing.
Blood is more serious.
Blood is probably another 1000 points lower.
shorty
Jan 17 2008, 11:23 PM
another minor problem is Crapple refused to buckle today
actually closed up a pernt
up another pernt after-hours
a little more than 20% haircut off its high, some crazed "bargain hunters" might have a go at it here, pick some up fer 160 so they can mock their friends who paid over 200
shorty
Jan 17 2008, 11:27 PM
GOOG body-slammed to 600 today
3-pernt dead-scam bounce AH
Charmin
Jan 17 2008, 11:28 PM
Bear sentiment indicator
Bear drool gloating meter is too high?
shorty
Jan 17 2008, 11:28 PM
I sold my JAVA dong this morning for a one-day 5% gain
it's a livin'
might have another go at that one tomorrow
I think KKR still owns a ton of convertibles
shorty
Jan 17 2008, 11:32 PM
I donged Dow futs 12249 fer the Friday greenprint
stop below
at a secret undisclosed location
DrStool
Jan 17 2008, 11:34 PM
One of the reasons I quit the appraisal business was that pressure. While it was illegal for us to comply, most appraisers did. It made me sick. And it wasn't illegal for these criminals to exert that kind of pressure, just for appraisers to agree to it. They had a real Hobson's choice.
Comply, or starve.
What a joke.
Fortunately, for much of my career I did work for the FDIC and RTC where I could write an honest report without fear of being pressured. Bank and mortgage broker work was frequently a problem, as were most local and state government agencies, who were frequently involved in scams to get a lot of money on appraisals for their property owning political contributors and friends.
South Florida Water Management District was the biggest of the whores I had to deal with. Absolute political hack scum funneling billions in tax dollars to the rich and famous.
County Commissions were the next biggest scum. The deal for the property east of Ft. Lauderdale International Airport was the biggest taxpayer heist I ever saw. I wasn't involved in the deal but they paid 5-10 times what I thought the land was worth to one of South Florida's biggest developers at the time. I wonder how much of that went back to the County Commissioners.
shorty
Jan 17 2008, 11:40 PM
QUOTE(DrStool @ Jan 17 2008, 04:34 PM)
I wonder how much of that went back to the County Commissioners.
If we could get an investigation started maybe we could send some of them to aSS-pounding prison.
Problem is the investigators are usually in on it too.
shorty
Jan 17 2008, 11:43 PM
Hey, maybe I can get my aSS appraised at a million bucks.
It's gotta be worth at least that much, based on the amount I've been renting it out for to the Pigmen.
Simple $caSShflow calculation.
Jetlag
Jan 17 2008, 11:44 PM
QUOTE(shorty @ Jan 17 2008, 06:23 PM)
another minor problem is Crapple refused to buckle today
actually closed up a pernt
up another pernt after-hours
a little more than 20% haircut off its high, some crazed "bargain hunters" might have a go at it here, pick some up fer 160 so they can mock their friends who paid over 200
It figures, they've got a new product out
http://www.ijam.es/
Brisbane Bear
Jan 17 2008, 11:56 PM
Bear gloating is high.
It might be different this time round.
Forced liquidation leaves people with no option but to sell.
If folks are using credit cards to make mortgage payments,plenty of folks probably have to sell stocks to buy bread...
cbear
Jan 18 2008, 12:03 AM
QUOTE(Brisbane Bear @ Jan 18 2008, 07:01 AM)
we might be seeing some capitulation in OZ.
My online broker has had a slight malfunction..
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Hey Briz, what's your online broker? Some cheapie fly-by-nighter?
Brisbane Bear
Jan 18 2008, 12:04 AM
do the punters even know that things are bad?
The headlines are getting very gloomy all of a sudden.
After months and months of soothing noises about the strong economy and no recession to suddenly...guess what,we are in a recession.
Do we have a wave of panic selling before a real bottom is put in?
The sheeple usually sell near the bottom,only to watch in horror as the market has a rally.
kiwibear
Jan 18 2008, 12:12 AM
QUOTE(Brisbane Bear @ Jan 17 2008, 05:46 PM)
WOW.
SPI Futures 5,500.00 -292
Brizzie - that's got nothing to do with Wall Street. It's the national malaise over the fact that Aussie are staring down the barrel in a cricket game for the first time in, oh, a thousand years or so.
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