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DrStool
Whoa. What a roller coaster ride. But for all the thrills chills and excitement the market still ended up being down another percent. That's what counts, not the tape's histrionics during the day.
tdultima
even some of the strongest sectors are now beginning to show signs of an intermediate top today

fugly
cwd
Spoozer now below the 900. wink.gif

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Charmin
I was looking at a traders bear flag break chart targeting 1291 on the SPH08 from March 2. It appears to have worked well so far with a low today in the 1285 area. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SPH08.CME&t=1d

http://www.bestofthebestforum.com/cgi-bin/...g.pl/read/11333
Speakeasy
Thursday and today were something. Talk about chickens coming home to roost. Margin calls for big boy hedge funds, FCB's pulling a few $B's out of their holdings of our waste paper (as per Doc's Pro Edition today), our abandoned child Bucky getting a little love at a time the Yen is approaching a triple top. Money is getting scarce. The banks don't have enough to lend 'cause they're insolvent, having written down $200 Billion in recent months, and most think that is just the tip of their iceberg of losses. Bond insurers holding onto their credit ratings by their fingernails and when it falls, the rating on hundreds of Billions of Muni's will fall with it.

The 13 week T-Bill is at 1.4% yield today. Fed Fun rate is 3%. That gives the Fed 160 bp's of ammo and traders are betting 98% we get a 75bp cut this month. WTF Ben, just shoot it all this months, a full 1.5% cut, as per your front loading theory and then just rename Washington Little Tokyo and be done with it.

Bucky may be more in demand for a bit. I'm looking at a target between 74.25 and 75.25.

stevieo
What mountain? What roost? Just a quiet little day. My QID's up just 25 cents. wink.gif
Jorma
Somebody ring the damn bell.
Jorma
Mr. Charles Ponzi.
stevieo
$40B drain on Monday between Treasury & Fed? Did I read that right?
DrStool
QUOTE(stevieo @ Mar 7 2008, 06:15 PM)
$40B drain on Monday between Treasury & Fed? Did I read that right?
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???? How'd you arrive at that? It's not right. There are no Treasury settlements Monday and the Fed has only a very small rollover not counting the two operations they did today that settle Monday which result in a net add. But I counted them today already.


fxfox
EUR/USD monthly

a high at 157 area? Would mean kissing more or less the fibo projection and failing to hit the upper channel line. That the FED cuts is to a good part priced in, the wild card is the action which the ECB will take in the second half of the year.

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Brisbane Bear
as a bear I have been expecting armageddon in OZ for quite some time.

Yet even I am surprised at how fast the blow ups have happened.

Take ABC learning centres as an example.

This company was built by a young guy called Eddy Groves.

He started with one small child minding centre in Brisbane about 20 yrs ago,built it to a chain of about 20 centres.

He joined forces with another similar sized chain and then went public.

He then bought up centres everywhere including the USA & UK.

I think they now own about 1000 centres.

This guy was the quintessential entrepreneur,he owned a basketball team,he had the $675k Ferrari,the private jet,the Gold Coast mansion,he had it all.

He was worth $260 million last year and was on the Young rich list.

A month ago he was worth about $200 million.

Last week he had a margin call and had to sell most of his shares.

He flew to the US this week and struck what looked like a miracle deal to save his empire.

The shares rallied briefly,then plunged.

He sold his remaining shares yesterday.

It appears as if he has lost everything.


It is UFB.

It has happened to at least 6 other high profile companies as well.

Here is the story.


ABC Learning Centres Ltd founder Eddie Groves has been forced to sell almost his entire stake in the company after facing more margins calls.

Mr Groves sold off more than 12 million shares on Thursday at $2.14 apiece - leaving him with only 3,186 ordinary shares in the company he built up from a single childcare centre in Brisbane 20 years ago.

After topping the annual Business Review Weekly Young Rich List with a personal fortune of $260 million two year ago, Mr Groves now owns a $4,683.42 stake in ABC.

http://news.theage.com.au/abc-learning-fou...80307-1xvg.html

stevieo
I see. I missed the rollover of 25 out of the other 27. Then I goofed the actual settlement date.

But that would've been something.
Brisbane Bear
they are starting to join the dots in OZ.

Homegrown sub-prime threat

JPMorgan analyst Brian Johnson said he was concerned about the state of the banks' mortgage books, adding the availability of easy credit supplied by banks on the basis of falling underwriting standards had been the source of nearly every asset-quality boom-and-bust cycle. "We believe history is about to repeat itself," he said.

http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23...626-462,00.html
The End
I'm looking for a move higher once we bottom the 10 day. (maybe bottomed that today). Back up to the 10 day MA. (1345 and will soon be dropping). If the 45 day bottomed then 1400 is not out of the question. Got to fool the masses. Shorting all rallies.
lineup32
QUOTE(Speakeasy @ Mar 7 2008, 05:33 PM)
Thursday and today were something.  Talk about chickens coming home to roost.  Margin calls for big boy hedge funds, FCB's pulling a few $B's out of their holdings of our waste paper (as per Doc's Pro Edition today), our abandoned child Bucky getting a little love at a time the Yen is approaching a triple top.  Money is getting scarce.  The banks don't have enough to lend 'cause they're insolvent, having written down $200 Billion in recent months, and most think that is just the tip of their iceberg of losses.  Bond insurers holding onto their credit ratings by their fingernails and when it falls, the rating on hundreds of Billions of Muni's will fall with it.

The 13 week T-Bill is at 1.4% yield today.  Fed Fun rate is 3%.  That gives the Fed 160 bp's of ammo and traders are betting 98% we get a 75bp cut this month.  WTF Ben, just shoot it all this months, a full 1.5% cut, as per your front loading theory and then just rename Washington Little Tokyo and be done with it.Bucky may be more in demand for a bit.  I'm looking at a target between 74.25 and 75.25.
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rename Washington D.C. Little Tokyo laugh.gif funny but true
Slappy

Sinclair says the bottom is in and everything is hunky-dory...

QUOTE

Slipping Out Of Control

    Author: Jim Sinclair

Dear Extended Family,

First I told you “This Is It!” and clearly this is, in fact, it.

I have demonstrated to you that there is no practical solution to this gathering of problems caused by unbridled greed and the lack of regulation to facilitate it.

Now I am telling you that it is “Slipping Out Of Control”

Attempts to use tools that have no practical power to cure the problem are pushing the problem over the hill.

In the Weimar Republic the great plan to depreciate the currency in order to depreciate war reparations written in it was to let it “get out of control.” The currency began a march to zero and gold therefore went to infinity in terms of that currency.

I do not expect such a situation percentage wise. I pray the situation that is now “Slipping Out Of Control” does not go to such ends. The Weimar case study however is a duplicate of today’s conditions.

All you need to do is replace the words “war reparations” from the Weimar case study with “over the counter derivative meltdown in credit and default derivatives” and you have a similar situation in economic history to which you can compare today.

Gold is going to a minimum of $1650.

Every category of gold shares will participate, with many substantially outperforming gold as shorts are forced to cover.

“This is it” and it is “Slipping Out Of Control.”

Eliminate as many intermediaries between you and your assets. Own the Swiss and Cando treasury instruments. Have at least 1/3 of your liquid net assets in gold and precious metals shares. For some it will be more.

Under no circumstances use margin.

Hard assets are about to make their entrance onto the stage of the establishment equity investors.

Before you go opt for a gold ETF read the original prospectus thoroughly.

Do not try and save the world. The world will think you are crazy and get annoyed. You can only protect yourselves. The saddest thing is Joe Six Pack is LOST, sacrificed on the sick altar of greed.

Regards,
Jim

http://www.jsmineset.com/




I'm just kiddin' about that bottom thing...

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lucy
The frustrating part of this is where do you put your money to work. I have over $30k sitting in my and my husband's iras that I have no idea what to do with. I don't "trade" these accounts, but I can find no solid ideas right now. Have a few canroys and some pms already, other than that I just have no idea what to do with it. Sad, actually.
Private Skidmark
QUOTE(lucy @ Mar 7 2008, 07:51 PM)
The frustrating part of this is where do you put your money to work. I have over $30k sitting in my and my husband's iras that I have no idea what to do with. I don't "trade" these accounts, but I can find no solid ideas right now. Have a few canroys and some pms already, other than that I just have no idea what to do with it. Sad, actually.
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Cash is a position. Me, if I had cash, I'd wait for the next significant pullback in PMs or agriculture. smile.gif
hokahay
QUOTE(Brisbane Bear @ Mar 7 2008, 06:40 PM)
as a bear I have been expecting armageddon in OZ for quite some time.


Here is the story.
ABC Learning Centres Ltd founder Eddie Groves has been forced to sell almost his entire stake in the company after facing more margins calls.

Mr Groves sold off more than 12 million shares on Thursday at $2.14 apiece - leaving him with only 3,186 ordinary shares in the company he built up from a single childcare centre in Brisbane 20 years ago.

After topping the annual Business Review Weekly Young Rich List with a personal fortune of $260 million two year ago, Mr Groves now owns a $4,683.42 stake in ABC.

http://news.theage.com.au/abc-learning-fou...80307-1xvg.html
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LOL when I saw it was $hittybank doing the margin call.
Brick Stoolhouse
QUOTE(hokahay @ Mar 7 2008, 08:06 PM)
LOL when I saw it was $hittybank doing the margin call.
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Shortys latest blog is up! Friggin hilarious!

Something almost as funny! Peter Schiff and Art Laffer from CNBS in 2006!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfascZSTU4o
summoner
He he he...I remember that exchange Brick. Check out the quotes at the top of the screen. SPX 1301, DOW 11300, Nascrap 2150. Gold 620, oil 70. ph34r.gif
hokahay
QUOTE(Brick Stoolhouse @ Mar 7 2008, 08:16 PM)
Shortys latest blog is up! Friggin hilarious!

Something almost as funny! Peter Schiff and Art Laffer from CNBS in 2006!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfascZSTU4o
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After his perfect assessment of the situation, the info babe got mad when she misunderstood the point. They should give all tangelo's moolah to that Schiff dude.
stevieo
In the immortal words of Emily Litella... Nevermind

The U.S. Department of Commerce’s Economics and Statistics Administration (ESA) has decided to continue the economicindicators.gov website

http://www.economicindicators.gov/

Probably old news by now
Brick Stoolhouse
QUOTE(hokahay @ Mar 7 2008, 08:44 PM)
After his perfect assessment of the situation,  the info babe got mad when she misunderstood the point.  They should give all tangelo's moolah to that Schiff dude.
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She also got mad when he said that most women would rather stay home and be with the kids rather than work. I can't speak for anyone else, but my wife went from working full time to being a stay at home mom and there is no comparison. She loves being a stay at home mom and wouldn't trade it for any amount of money.Laffer is a shill, plain and simple.We should petition CNBS to show that clip again with both guys on to comment afterward. Somehow I think Laffer would still think hes right! Brick
hokahay
QUOTE(lucy @ Mar 7 2008, 07:51 PM)
The frustrating part of this is where do you put your money to work. I have over $30k sitting in my and my husband's iras that I have no idea what to do with. I don't "trade" these accounts, but I can find no solid ideas right now. Have a few canroys and some pms already, other than that I just have no idea what to do with it. Sad, actually.
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I have a similar problem. 200 large in a 401K. This is not advice but maybe there wll be some critical advice.

33 % Short term Treasuries
31 % Short Term Investment grade Corp
17 % Capital preservation
10 % Euro Pacific MidCap stock
7 % S n P
2 % Midcap value

Equities are recent and still near basis. Goal Is Buffett's rule number 1.
DrStool
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Brick Stoolhouse
QUOTE(summoner @ Mar 7 2008, 08:33 PM)
He he he...I remember that exchange Brick. Check out the quotes at the top of the screen. SPX 1301, DOW 11300, Nascrap 2150. Gold 620, oil 70.  ph34r.gif
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Summoner- The quotes are funny! The Fraudexes are all still the same price.Gold and Big Earl up quite a bit. Now figure the devaluing of the dollar since 2006 and you've lost a ton of money in the fraudexes and have done well in Gold and Big Earl. Funny how that works! After reading Shorty;s blog though I'm going to have to buy the Double Dong Dollar ETF first thing Monday! biggrin.gif Brick
Charmin
Market Hype has a big bold headline - "'R' word on everybody's lips"

I can think of a few important words, like "E" for declining "earnings" or even "J" for disappearing "jobs" and a last resort "D" for upcoming "depression"

By the way - is this Thunder Mtn.

MTN
http://www.StockSharePublishing.com/ChartL..._1204942491.png
lucy
QUOTE(hokahay @ Mar 7 2008, 08:05 PM)
I have a similar problem.  200 large in a 401K.  This is not advice but maybe there wll be some critical advice. 

33 % Short term Treasuries
31 % Short Term Investment grade Corp
17 % Capital preservation
10 % Euro Pacific MidCap stock
7  % S n P
2  % Midcap value

Equities are recent and still near basis.  Goal Is Buffett's rule number 1.
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Thinking I might just buy some treasuries and wait for something to come along. I've got over 75% invested, I'm just out of ideas. Soooooo tired of 3% return as my non Ira stuff mostly just sits in CDs. mad.gif
Charmin
It's interesting to note that Peter just wrote an article today titled "They still don't get it" on his homepage

http://www.europac.net/ or found at financialsense.com http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editoria.../2008/0307.html
GregFokker
Check the return on New Zealand and Australian dollars paid out on Interactive Brokers. Last time I looked, they were paying north of 8% on cash balances denominated in those 2 currencies.
Brisbane Bear
where do I find shortys blog?

TIA
roxy
QUOTE(tdultima @ Mar 7 2008, 05:04 PM)
even some of the strongest sectors are now beginning to show signs of an intermediate top today

fugly
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XLF is up but IAI is down - joust enough to totally confuse me smile.gif If financials are not falling the bottom is near.
roxy
QUOTE(tdultima @ Mar 7 2008, 05:04 PM)
even some of the strongest sectors are now beginning to show signs of an intermediate top today

fugly
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Very interesting triple-bottom. I will watch it monday
Peek Paper
QUOTE(GregFokker @ Mar 7 2008, 09:27 PM)
Check the return on New Zealand and Australian dollars paid out on Interactive Brokers.  Last time I looked, they were paying north of 8% on cash balances denominated in those 2 currencies.
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"Is that a lot?"
GregFokker
http://wallstreetexaminer.com/

He goes by "Theodore Mantle"
Brisbane Bear
Thanks GF,

Whilst searching favorites for Shortys blog I came across this one.

http://justnesting.blogspot.com/

This women is living in cloud cockoo land.

blink.gif blink.gif

She seems to spend money like water yet is supposedly in dire straits financially.
stevieo
Ugh! I hate thinking about my 401K. Can't wait to change jobs and get out.

I got no choices in a crappy Oppenheimer 401k. Kicking myself for contributing. That balance is down 35% compared to my trading account. For a while I took an opposing position in my trading account, but that turned out to be a loser move. Now I can only wait for the next opportunity to change my contribution. To 0.
Dharmaeye
QUOTE(Charmin @ Mar 7 2008, 06:27 PM)
It's interesting to note that Peter just wrote an article today titled "They still don't get it" on his homepage

http://www.europac.net/ or found at financialsense.com  http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editoria.../2008/0307.html
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Schiff on Canroys - just got in email
http://www.europac.net/report/reports/repo...anenergy_v2.pdf
roxy
Severe margin calls somewhere. Most likely it's just Carlyle

http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/03...or-carlyle.html
DrStool
QUOTE(Brisbane Bear @ Mar 7 2008, 09:39 PM)
where do I find shortys blog?

TIA
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His headlines and summaries can always be accessed from the front page of the WSE http://wallstreetexaminer.com You can also click on the headlines in the left column, although the author is not identified there as they are on the front page.

There's a link to his blog in the right column, or you can bookmark http://wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/mantle

shorty
Hard ta find good help these daze -- somewhere, someone (who really shouldn't be ph34r.gif ) is pissed off about now.

Traffic Stop Leads to Discovery of 6,700 Pounds of Marijuana worth $6 Million
Twenty-nine-year-old Matthew McChesney was arrested after police stopped him for speeding.


MORAN!
roxy
McClellan is painting a triangle. I wonder if triangle means anything here - it's not a stock, it's oscillator
roxy
Put/call ratio is pretty high. Sometimes that level was enough for a bottom, though not in a bear market
joe3pack
beard wreck, you sly debbil--you were subverting the term "archimedes' screw," weren't you? laugh.gif
cwd
QUOTE(Speakeasy @ Mar 7 2008, 05:33 PM)
Thursday and today were something.  Talk about chickens coming home to roost.  Margin calls for big boy hedge funds, FCB's pulling a few $B's out of their holdings of our waste paper (as per Doc's Pro Edition today), our abandoned child Bucky getting a little love at a time the Yen is approaching a triple top.  Money is getting scarce.  The banks don't have enough to lend 'cause they're insolvent, having written down $200 Billion in recent months, and most think that is just the tip of their iceberg of losses.  Bond insurers holding onto their credit ratings by their fingernails and when it falls, the rating on hundreds of Billions of Muni's will fall with it.

The 13 week T-Bill is at 1.4% yield today.  Fed Fun rate is 3%.  That gives the Fed 160 bp's of ammo and traders are betting 98% we get a 75bp cut this month.  WTF Ben, just shoot it all this months, a full 1.5% cut, as per your front loading theory and then just rename Washington Little Tokyo and be done with it.

Bucky may be more in demand for a bit.  I'm looking at a target between 74.25 and 75.25.
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Coming back to kiss the downtrend as LW would say. That looks to me like a good place to put on the Rydex double declining dollar fund. biggrin.gif
cwd
QUOTE(roxy @ Mar 7 2008, 10:15 PM)
Severe margin calls somewhere. Most likely it's just Carlyle

http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/03...or-carlyle.html
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One fund causes all this? I wonder if it is going to trigger more hedge fund blowups, more margin calls and more forced selling.
It would appear a lot of rich people aren't going to be as rich as they thought were. blink.gif
joe3pack
the ground beef are probably still in the "i can't believe it's not butter" stage of this leg down.

see these now and believe them later:

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$NAS...id=p58305727545

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$nal...id=p58305727545

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$NAM...id=p58305727545
roxy
QUOTE(stevieo @ Mar 7 2008, 10:56 PM)
Ugh! I hate thinking about my 401K. Can't wait to change jobs and get out.

I got no choices in a crappy Oppenheimer 401k. Kicking myself for contributing. That balance is down 35% compared to my trading account. For a while I took an opposing position in my trading account, but that turned out to be a loser move. Now I can only wait for the next opportunity to change my contribution. To 0.
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What about matching contribution? Do you have treasury bond option?

I always do a max contribution plus they partially match, so it's $20k contribution per year and then my average 3Y return is 12% - slowly turning into real money rolleyes.gif
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